wjmdes

Atlanta requires all risers closed or prevent a 4" sphere yadda yadda.  When the "OPEN RISERS" is unchecked in Chief, it looks like the attached images.  Chief adds a solid object to the bottom of the stringers, which is wrong.  Any idea how to fix this.

I did not catch this before and now I have to send a new drawing to a contractor so the inspector will not make him add plywood to the bottom of the exterior stairs.

29 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

Wouldn't one, after changing pitch of a built roof, just take a section and measure how much it should be raised or dropped, to re-seat properly?

Now that I understand the issue and how Chief works, I see that as the only option.  

35 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

This topic had quite the discussion in the Suggestion forum a few months ago too :

 

https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/21163-provide-a-top-plate-lock-in-the-roof-plane-dbx/

Thanks for that, just when I thought I had it figured out...

9 hours ago, SNestor said:

Get it close...draw a line and use a rich text box to state the "plate height".

This becomes an issue when I am doing a porch or covered deck addition.  The entire existing house is a 12:12 pitch and then when I get around to playing with the new roof, I draw it in using the previous settings and then change the pitch to maybe a 2:12 pitch to avoid 2nd story window sills.  Now we are talking inches not sixteenths.  However, this whole thread and other people's input, I now understand better how this works.  Messed around with it last night and a real quick fix t get the rafter sitting back where it needs to be.

Now that I know you can display a baseline, can somebody explain to me a situation where you would move it....

1 hour ago, SNestor said:

Uh...that's what I thought at first but...if you give this some thought it's not true.

Yes,....but for most situations, it is the case.  Either way, I started a spreadsheet that will give me baseline above my entered top of wall height, and stud size and rafter size.  Four years of calculus and I only use trig!  I appreciate you making me think.

And at the end of the day, being a little off will never be noticed when they build it, but it bugs me.

18 minutes ago, SNestor said:

No...you can select each roof plane with the same pitch in plan view...or in 3D view.  Then, open the edit dialogue, click "lock pitch"...then change the "baseline" height the amount you want to raise or lower them.  It will raise or lower the roof planes.  No need to start over.

Correct, but then you need to determine the vertical distance the roof needs to be raised or lowered.  Not a big deal, just a pain.  Not sure who came up with the idea of where Chief has put the baseline, but the 100% most logical place would be on the inside of the stud wall at the top of the double top plate.  That point generally will not move when a pitch is changed or if a larger rafter is used.

46 minutes ago, SNestor said:

I made you a video...hope it helps!

Awesome!  I did not know you could place the profile.

5 minutes ago, solver said:

I'm not seeing that.

 

You can also apply a lintel to the mulled unit instead of the individuals

But you now have extra horizontal lines between vertical and top casing.  I know I cannot have everything I want. Mulling a window in Chief changes its appearance graphically.  I do appreciate your help though. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, solver said:

Use a profile that combines the casing and crown.

 

That is what I was afraid of.  Unfortunately, when I mull 2 windows I get a bunch of extra vertical lines where the lintels overlap.  I think I need to stick to the molding polyline.

5 minutes ago, SNestor said:

If you lock the "baseline"...yes, the rafter will pivot around this point.  Of course...you need to know where the "baseline" is.  It's probably not where you think it is.  

 

It's here...see diagram below;

Yep, that is where it is, the problem is that if you have built a complex roof manually and the client wants to go to a higher pitch, you have to start ALL OVER or it will be incorrect.

9 minutes ago, solver said:

Great, perfect, although it still does not give me a clue how to make it work or do it.  When I use a lintel it gets rid of the top casing.

 

 

 

1

8 minutes ago, solver said:

Try a Lintel.

 

A lintel replaces the top piece of casing.

 Trying to add this piece of crown to the top of the windows.  I come across this quite a bit in historic Atlanta and usually end up drawing a piece of molding using a polyline and adjust for each window.  I just tried creating a symbol into millwork using a piece of crown.  This seemed to work well, but does not wrap on each side.

8 minutes ago, solver said:

Me too.

 

I'll use auto roofs too.

Apparently I will need to take the long road.  I do manual roofs also and in some cases such as this house, I have to create a substantial addition on the back and get all the water to drain off and also make it look good from the street and also make the historic commission happy.  So I end up changing roof pitches quite a bit sometimes.  This explains why when I get near the end of putting the plans together and start generating sections they are always wrong.

7 minutes ago, Evolution said:

nd if you change the pitch of the roof by selecting the specific wall, (not by the roof plane itself)

I tried that and that must work for auto roofs as it did not affect anything when I changed it.

7 minutes ago, solver said:

 

That's the default. You can lock the fascia, shadow boards etc.

Locking the fascia or shadow board will also change the wall height.

I have also just noticed that if later I need to change the rafter depths, it lowers the wall height, it does not move the roof up.  The walls heights should be a constant.

I have had this issue before, and I do not understand why this happens.  I manually place a roof plane on a wall and Chief uses the settings under "Build Roof" and everything is fine.  If I then decide to change the pitch of the roof, it apparently pivots around the baseline, not the bearing point where rafters sit. This causes the exterior wall height to change which is incorrect.

Is there way to fix this?  In my opinion, the "baseline" should be on the inside of the stud at the rough ceiling height.

Yep...that is what it does!

I have always had this issue and it is a real pain....

Perfect, thank you...

General Notes..

This has occurred for me since day 1 on Chief.  I copy text (ctrl-C) and open a new rich text box and paste (ctrl-V) it always just inserts an "A".  I have to hit OK, go back to my text, recopy and then repaste.  Anyone else have this issue or know a fix?

I have searched and I did get a result saying I can now save notes to my library in X11, however, I can not find any documentation.  I have been doing this by adding a line, blocking it and then adding, but hope there is a better way.  Anyone have the secret handshake to do this?

On 3/21/2019 at 6:57 PM, solver said:

With X10 and newer, you could manually enter the info in Object Information fields.

Thank you, what I was looking for...!!