MN_JohnH

2 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

 

The corrupted version is still here in this thread. 

Right. Thanks!

12 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said:

 

I really don't think that's the problem in this case.  That solid has become corrupted somehow and I hope you send it in to tech support for further evaluation. 

I guess I already backed it out and got rid of it. Sorry.
I will keep that in mind in the future.
Thanks for your help with this.
Question: I know you have worked with sketchup too, do you still use that occasionally or are you finding you can do the same sorts of things well enough int Chief?

Thanks again
 

12 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said:

How exactly did you arrive at that tub shape?  The reason I ask is that the object isn’t behaving at all like a normal solid in that none of the faces have any proper polyline definition, there are overlapping faces (which you can see if you explode the object), you can’t extrude or place holes in any of the faces, etc.  

I just drew it like I draw all shapes, using CAD lines in an elevation view and then, when it was a closed shape I converted it to a solid.
I think, like was mentioned above, I need to look things over more carefully and make sure they are clean of tiny little overlaps or something.

My next step in drawing the bathtub will probably stop me anyway, I will try and fillet the weird curved corners to round out the tub and that will probably not work.
I think generally I am trying to do things that are not what CA is meant to do, I should really be looking at sketchup or blender or something for this type of stuff.

But when I can't find a symbol on line I tend to want to draw something that approximates what I need, in this case, the claw foot bathtub.
I keep thinking the time invested will be worth it because I will learn things but usually I just end up feeling like I have been beating my head against the wall.

Anyway, I will carry on. I appreciate all the help I get in this forum.

35 minutes ago, solver said:

 

 

thanks, I don't understand either. I created my red chunk the same way you did, I drew the shape and converted it to a solid.
Seems like this happens all the time and the answer is always to re-create one of the pieces.
Anyway, thanks for the time again.

On 12/19/2022 at 10:31 AM, Alaskan_Son said:

 

My previously posted workaround solution works with this plan as well:

 

 

Here is another one. I tried the copy and paste in place but that doesn't seem to do it.
I would like to subtract the red item from the blue block.
I get the same error message.

Tub.plan

1 hour ago, Kbird1 said:

 

Might be cos you have a bad gray knife blank ....there is a small "flap" sticking up on the Tip of the Knife and chief can't handle it. 

Yes , it seems fine once I sent the Knife outline to a Cad Detail cleaned it up and turned it back into a Solid back in Plan

 

 

 

Knife  Plan File : MHD_Knife.plan

 

Mick.

Thanks!

I am still having more of this same problem. I am trying to subtract the two red objects from the gray object and I get the error:

BooleanBehavior.cpp(424): Warning #272032185

"The Boolean operation could not be completed."

12/18/2022 05:39:35 PM

Build: 24.3.0.84 Windows 64-bit

I used to have to convert them to solids but now that is not an option.

Knife.plan

16 minutes ago, SNestor said:

Those tips sticking through the roof are because you have been manually dragging your walls...just need to "reset to default"....

 

MN_JohnH - Wall stubs through roof fix - Watch Video

Thank you Steve, this is all very helpful

5 hours ago, SNestor said:

I played around with your plan a bit...seems if you add a "shadow board"...you can make the fascia disappear. This may be what you are trying to achieve?

I've attached the plan I've been changing so you can review what I did to the roof.  299742722_moreproblems - Steve Edits.plan

 

Thanks, yes I was p[laying with shadow boards etc myself. It's all about a way to cover that edge I guess.
But I am really more interested in how you got rid of those little corners of the walls that were sticking through the roof.

Thanks for this, Steve. I appreciate the time you put into it.
It does give me a few tips on constructing roof though having auto rebuild roofs on always causes frustration but likely there is something more I need to learn there.
Anyway, what I was really trying to do was to get away from having a roof fascia altogether. Weird, I know, but I am trying to do an as built drawing and that is how it is.
So just a minimal metal trim or drip edge and then going right into the siding.

But I can get there with solids or something.
What I would really like to do is figure out why I occasionally have these little corners of walls sticking through roofs. This is a constant aggravation for me, happens all the time. Seems like roofs always cut walls except when they don't.

Still having some problems with these walls.
I really just want to have the roof surface meet the exterior wall surface with minimal drip edge or trim.
I can't get rid of the gap there and now there is a little tab of the wall that sticks up in the corners through the roof.
Any help with this would be appreciated. 

more problems.plan

12 hours ago, kellyh said:

Thanks for supplying your plan. It helped a lot with troubleshooting this issue.

 

First thing I would do is reset your walls back to their default heights. It looks like you've been manually adjusting the heights of those walls and you shouldn't need to do that for this plan. You can do this by going to the Edit Menu->Reset to Defaults. In the window that comes up, check the checkbox for Wall Top Heights and click OK.

 

Second thing is you've got rooms that are at different heights. They're not off by much, but just enough to cause issues. To correct this, open the room I've highlighted below, go to the Structure Panel, and then click on wrench icon next to the Ceiling value. This will reset the plate height back to the default value.

 

 

Third thing is you have built a second floor in the plan and it looks like this structure doesn't need that. To correct this, go to the second floor in your plan then go to the Build Menu->Floor->Delete Current Floor. This will delete the second floor and will place you on the attic floor. Your end gable walls may be invisible at that point, so you'll want to select them, open then for specification, and uncheck the Invisible checkbox on the General panel.

This is great stuff, thank you for the detailed instructions!

I can't figure out why my walls are not meeting the roof.
I run into this a lot and usually finagle walls by puling on their handles etc but changing from gable wall to hip wall etc seems to make no difference in how the wall acts.
I just want them to act like when I first drew them where they just automatically connect with the roof.

plan.plan

I see now. It just didn't like that I drew a room in the middle of that interior space, (?).
So you connect it somewhere else and then it lets you delete the other wall.

Guess I have just never come across that situation before.

Thanks,

1 hour ago, solver said:

The program automatically creates that invisible wall to connect rooms that do join other walls.

 

Draw your own, place on its own layer and turn off if you don't want to see it.

 

Thanks, seems silly to just create room dividers. Is this new with 14?
I am still unable to connect that wall like your drawing shows. I drag it over and it snaps back to the wall divider line and show a yellow exclamation point about unconnected wall.

For some reason I can't connect this thicker wall to the wall behind the cabinet and in trying to do so, somewhere along the line it created this invisible wall that I can not delete...

Wall issue.plan

I have always tried to keep in mind the complexity of the drawing and the other tips listed above when I have used past versions and I continue to do that but there is no question x14 is slower with the same drawings I was doing with 13. I never keep anything set for automatic rebuild so that is not an issue. It definitely has to do with camera views but again, I am doing nothing now that I wasn't doing with x13.

Also another thing that I thought was just a passing thing but have become a persistent problem is occasional freeze ups.
Just working normally and suddenly I can't click on anything or do anything. A couple times I waited maybe 15 minutes and it would start working again but most times i need to go to task manager and shut down the program and hope that there is a automatic backup that is a little newer than my last manual backup.
I am not sure if anyone else is having issues like this.
I hope a future upgrade will help if they are just bugs. The couple projects I have been working on I did not save as x13 versions so I can't go back to 13 with those.
Guess I have learned something there too.
Maybe x14 requires a machine upgrade...

Just checking in on this subject too.
Extreme slowness since I upgraded to 14. I am using plans created in 13 so have not tried anything new yet but otherwise I haven't been able to locate anything that helps the problem
Slowness everywhere even just bringing up the properties box and changing something... might as well go read a book after hitting every change.

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2 hours ago, solver said:

 

Consider Rafter Tails

 

 

I guess that will be the way I will do it. Thanks,

I am wondering if there is a way to have some rafters plumb cut and some square cut on the same roof plane?
Or can I somehow take a single roof rafter and change the angle cut on the bottom, (or top for that matter).
It would be nice if I could go to a cross section and manipulate the shape like I can with a poly line solid.

It would be nice if there was a way to use other rendering techniques like adding line over the standard view etc.
It seems like it could be a great tool but it falls short.

Thanks Eric, I am seeing the ways of my errors. Or errors of my ways.
All this time I had been drawing my solids by drawing a square or circle and ten converting to a polyline solid rather than just using the polyline solid tools and drawing it as a solid to begin with. It seemed to work OK in the past but this has been a good learning experience. I will now use the correct tool for drawing the solids.

....a little bit at a time...

Thanks.

Here I was able to upload the plan this time.

polyline solids.plan

4 minutes ago, solver said:

Convert the box to a Solid.

I have tried all that. Nothing works.
In older versions I would have to convert both symbols to solids before it would work but now I don't have the option to convert the cylinder to a solid.
Before I rotated the cylinder in an elevation view, I could subtract the box from it just fine whether I had converted it to a solid or not.
It's just the rotated cylinder I am having trouble with. Apparently.
I don't know why it is not letting me upload the plan file here...

I am trying to work with polyline solids. I have created a box and a cylinder that overlap each other. As long as I keep them in their original orientation I can subtract one from the other but if I go to a side elevation and rotate the cylinder, now I try to subtract one from the other and I get and error "this boolean operation could not be completed".
I used to do this all the time with x12, so I don't know if this is an upgrade issue or what.
I am trying to upload the example plan  but I get an error in uploading "an unknown server error occurred"
I have attached an imaged instead.