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7 minutes ago, parkwest said:

Have you tried catalog download yet?

Yeah it's SSA only, can't buy it or just download, if I could buy it I would

2 minutes ago, ericepv said:

Limitless, these look really nice! I'd like to see how they look as ray-traces.

I'll give it a try later on, thing is, as I previously have mentioned I lost the patience for ray tracing, at almost 4k resolution the image takes ages....but as said, I'll try to make some time and give it a whirl in HD and see how it comes out.  Need to re-remember the material definitions for ray trace vs PBR ::) 

any chance somebody could share the full rev a shelf catalog?

13 hours ago, glennw said:

Instead of making that corner from solid walls, you could try making it a hollow wall junction made from thinner walls.

Post the plan for more detailed help. 

Thank you, I  managed to do it with thick walls, came out pretty accurate so far, working on the overall spacement of rooms and stuff, trying ot finish so the client can make their ddecision

yeah I usually do it once a week but I guess I should pay better attention to which catalogs get updated ).  

which catalogs have been updated? I guess I didn't notice just yet  yeah glass and reflections would be a blessing, especially glass, because sometimes you need that beautiful reflection on glass on exterior shots, and inside on dinnerware like wine glasses it would work miracles, shower doors etc, and not to forget water!!!

17 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

Are you talking about the Windows in Room 8 and 10 and the 45° wall between them?             ( btw is room 9 missing? )

 

Chief really doesn't like extra thick walls,with deep recesses it seems, eg many European thick stone walled Buildings, you will find other posts on the Forum about that issue, as there are several Users from France who have run into issues too especially when the area where the windows and doors are is thinner, Chiefer doesn't cover the ends of the thicker part properly is that your issue too?

 

Some images of the Issue may help someone suggest a few workarounds  ....nice images in the Goodies thread BTW

 

M.

Room 9 is missing yes   As said, in Russia these standard floor plans are horrible, they are never accurate, and even if you have all wall dimensions, when you re-create it in chief, the overall sqm comes out different....best bet is always going and doing the measurements yourself...so yeah...it's horrible here with this stuff, and my client loves the location but the flat inside is horrible....so he wants to understand what he could get in the end, also seeing as the bathroom is where the kitchen is whie the bathtub area on the other side....makes it harder to work with adding baths and so on...anyways...yeah I managed to more or less fix the problem by playing with the walls and getting it as close as possible....we'll see, if the clients buy it and I get to properly work it, I'll post some of the fun stuff of how bad this place looked before.

as for the goodies, thank you  PBR has been a game changer personally to me and getting more life like results, clients love it.

If you have a look at the top of the floor plan (russian home plans in their standard form are horrible, and in accurate).  So the top part of the picture, we see the slanted wall with two windows connecting to one of the first three rooms.  You can see that the thickness displayed and connection is quite awkward, and when I try to do this in chief, it just screws up completely....A client asked me to do a preliminary plan even with some measurements missing, because this will help them decide whether or not to buy the real estate....seeing as the kitchen is located in that awkward room, i'm having a hard time with cabinet placements....so if anybody has a tip for the futuere how to deal with these types of walls, i'd be very appreciative...

Once it comes down to it we will go and take all the measurements, but this is just a prelim moment.

A few photos from a potential skyscraper penthouse project.  All pbr

4 minutes ago, TheKitchenAbode said:

It's important to keep in mind that the graphics card is only part of the equation. The CPU is also involved in PBR'ing. What's important is to ensure that the CPU and GPU are appropriately matched. No point in having the fastest GPU on the market if the CPU can't keep up with it. That GPU will just be sitting idle while it waits for the CPU to send it the next instruction set.

I completely agree, but I don't see any point in going with a ryzen 6 core, or new intel 6 core, my 5930k 6 core 12 thread at OC of 4.4 does the job very well, and I don't think a new powerful card would not match cpu, unless somebody can explain otherwise

yeah well your 1070 is  more powerful than my 980, and as said, where I am now, the price line between a 2080 vs a 1080ti or even 1080 is barely existant. I could save some cash and go for a 2070, and still get more punch, so I'm still playing around with what is the best to go with at the moment.

2 minutes ago, MarkMc said:

I'd asked at the Academy in August if they knew if Chief would or could be optimized for the new RT aspect of the cards. At that time they had just gotten back from the launch and had no information. I intend to wait to hear. Talk on gaming forums is often either "wait and see" or "not worth it but will bring 10 series prices down". Now gaming is not Chief so there are challenges in distinguishing value there. I'm also keeping an eye on the AMD 7nm cards. I'd been hoping to get a new machine in 2019 but for the moment don't see it worth the cost.

FWIW I think your Strix has 4GB Vram, yes? I manage to behave pretty badly with my 980m which has fewer cores but 8GB-might be worth keeping in mind?

Well yeah you have 4gb of vram more, but when it comes to cuda cores and mem bandwith and speed the desktop version has a lot more kick.  I think it comes down to the textures, materials, amount of reflective surfaces you will use in your PBR scene, and naturally how many imported objects.  I sometimes have imported stuff that has very high polygon counts, and a house plan comes out to half a giig easily  

I agree, well that is marketing for you ) I've been happy with the 980, but I believe with PBR which I mostly live with now, a 2080 would change my world when it comes to how complex a scene can get before it becomes laggy, not ot mention exporting the PBR image at almost 4k resolution, I'm sure a 2080 will cut some time off that for sure

17 minutes ago, BryanBrown380 said:

Well this is going to get technical. I do know that PBR is openGL. That Star Wars benchmark from Nvidia is pretty misleading. The reason the new RTX handled it much better was because they coded it to use the new tensor cores in those gpus. Those cores are not in previous generation cards and it is up to the developers to make their software utilize them. However in FP32 shader performance the 2080ti is about 25% faster than the 1080ti. If you want more information about check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_x1JGG4JC8

Its pretty sneaky stuff they pulled to make it look really good.

 

 

So I watched the video, I love his accent, gives the video flare )  Overall still the conclusion comes down to the fact that a 2080 will faster than 1080ti in many aspects, and considering where I am both are at about the same price now, I think a 2080 will be my best bet, and I'm sure coming from a 980 strix, I will be blown away.

well I don't know what architecture PBR is based on, but I was looking at a video now comparing 1080,1080ti,2070,2080, and 2080ti, the test was based on a star wars demo ray tracing moment of troopers with a lot of reflections...the overall conclusion was that the new RTX cards handle the scene at over 40 fps, while the 10 series barely get 15 even the TI, so personally to me, it indicates that I'd be better off with a 2080 now.

28 minutes ago, TheKitchenAbode said:

Concerning PBR I doubt if it would be worth the expense. I'm running with a 1060 and it only takes about 3 seconds to run a fairly complex scene. Not worth spending $1,000 or more to gain maybe 1 second of PBR time.

 

Also, it's my understanding that SLI may improve gamming performance but generating static images is a different process and SLI may not provide much improvement.

So you are saying that even without any lets say tests, our best bet is going with a 2070 or 2080, or the previous generation if we are looking to upgrade and increase times.  Because my 980 strix when it comes to a complex scene, runs at 100% load in overclock, and soemtimes when changin the camera angle in 3d view, it lags due to reflections and imported furniture and so on.

Also I'll throw in the following nugget, if somebody manages to show us that SLI is worth it when it comes to PBR, I would get dual 1080's soon, if it turns out to be a bust, I'll got with a 2080

Just now, BryanBrown380 said:

Maybe the community could get together and come up with a benchmark database and do testing from a sample plan so any one could download and test really easy.

I think that's a great idea, maybe a few chief veterans like kitchenadobe and jeff etc if the hardware permits could chip in.  Overall chief could also maybe consider having this on their website after some testing to enlighten us all before we begin building new systems

Yeah if I would have two cards I would definitely do a showdown and see if SLI will improve PBR for everybody, sadly I'm limited to one for now

So, dear chiefers,

I decided to search the forums and topics, and found that there is a topic nobody has really brought up, and I decided to be the first.

I would love it if somebody who works for chief would also chip in on this discussion.

So, previously we all know that having dual graphics cards in SLI or crossire was useless in Chief because ray tracing was all CPU based and wouldn't bring you any real kick.

Now that we are in the PBR era, which is completely GPU based, my question is the following, would me updating to a SLI config of two 1080's create a real difference?  IF there is anybody out there who happens to have an SLI system, and could maybe do a test run on a complex PBR scene, one time with one card, and the second time in SLI, and tell us is there a real difference in time and how well the system processes it?
 

As for chief spokes people or tech department, I'd like to think maybe you guys have already played around with this, if not,  maybe you could and let us all know, because if SLI will prove to bump performance in PBR scenes with many objects and mirrors and so on, I would definitely go SLI in the near future.

Thank you ahead of time to anybody who can drop their two cents on this!

I have an LG 34um95 which is almost 4k 3440*1440, and a HP pavillion 32 QHD.  The HP 32 I bought it used, found a photographer online who was sellling it for 250$, haggled him to 200$.  Honestly I love it, 16:9 i love, the 21:9 is useful but not always.  I tend to PBR on the HP and do the planning on the LG and stuff in split screen mode, so plan+elevation in sep windows.

The LG has more than 1 billion colors while the HP is ies less, but honestly still great color reproduction.  So if I was you, I'd look at the HP 32 pavillion or omen, pretty much the same stuff.

On 11/24/2018 at 8:19 PM, M-Ferioli said:

Let us know how it works out.  I think I'm going to delay my purchase for a bit so I'd love to hear a review from you.

Earliest that it will happen would be mid January, so if you got time, and once I buy one, I will definitely post my opinions and some results vs my desktop 980. Most my plans tend to have a lot of foreign objects from sketchup therefore the polyline counts go up, so we will see.  

Rashid, reason I am not looking at those are because they are too bulky and heavy, but if you are going for a desktop replacement I think it will serve it's purpose.

Yeah remote access is good I agree, but sometimes to edit a whole scene on the go would be a plus with a portable work horse that isn't a predator or alien that weigh like 5 bricks

Yeah I have noticed that nobody really has one, and it's impossible to find anybody who reviews tech and would include a chief architect result  I think I will stick with the zephyrus with a 1060 card, I think it will do the trick, and as another chiefer mentioned in a diff post, that use remote access to the home work station in case  I need some heavy duty lifting.

1 minute ago, M-Ferioli said:

Some really good testing done by notebookcheck.net if you haven't already been there.  Obviously they don't test CA but their testing is pretty extensive and also up to date on the type of laptop you are considering.  I'm also looking to at basically the same things you are, trying to take advantage of the current sales and pull the trigger soon.

 

Here is a link to a comparison article:  https://www.notebookcheck.net/Notebookcheck-s-Top-10-Slim-Light-Gaming-Laptops.126456.0.html

 

Im currently leaning toward the 1070 version of the GS65, mostly due to cost over the Aero15.

 

Mike

Yeah the Gs65 is definitely something I'm looking at, even the p65 creators edition seems good, same thing diff colors ) Had this thought for a second of going with something like like a 1060 card, and getting a aorus external gpu box with a 1080.  I realize thats just money oout the window when you could just buy the gs65 with a 1070 or a zephyrus with a 1070