Evolution

Well, I took the coward's way out and made polyline solids for each of the spaces missing floor, that quick I solved my own problem. Rene, look at my signature "Chief Premier X7 thru X12 with SSA" obviously I didn't renew so I don't have SSA. Thanks for the help!

Well, I took the coward's way out I guess and created a polyline solid for each hole, change material to the carpet, set the height and solved my own problem. Not the way Rene did it, but I couldn't get your way to work for me Rene.

Rene, I selected the polyline from room (I had already made) converted to a solid. Set the thickness, then selected it and attempted to drag one corner (from a section view of the polyline) down but it doesn't work for me. I watched your video several times (I thought I was doing it the same way) but to no avail.) I may just have to leave it as is and pretend the holes are filled. Every time I make another attempt at it something else goes haywire and causing more grief than it's worth.

The more I work on this plan the more issues pop up. After finally getting the ramp in place, by first lowering the floor in the existing and expansion floor of the sanctuary I had to stop and fix a dozen different little issues and I don't have a clue what caused them. Now I'm back to working on the sloped floor (using the ramp tool). I have the ramp in place now, but I can't get it to cut into the two areas on each side of the rear wall at the HVAC chases. The break tool and the 3 key, neither one allow me to break the end of the ramp and pull it back into the corners. So I decided to try the create room polyline tool but there is no option to make a ramp out of it. I hate to keep monkeying with the plan as every little change causes the program to go wonkers and delete or change something else. ADDITION TO PLC (2).zip

Well, I am still having issues with the sloped floor portion of the existing sanctuary. I kept working on getting the floor lowered in the existing sanctuary and added the ramp and its done; however I can't get the ramp to cut around the two protrusions (which are the return plenums for the HVAC). I attempted to use the break tool and the 3 key method as well but it did not allow me to use a break to pull the ramp around those walls. I believe I was doing it like the training video, so I am not sure why it is not working. Can someone take a look. The AHJ is going to want to see the sloped floor marry's into the level floor of the expansion floor. ADDITION TO PLC.plan

Doug, that was too simple! I am curious why the other drum pit didn't exhibit the same issue. Those walls aren't selected as "no room definition".

I need to fix the ceiling anomaly that appeared when I attempted to create a room within a room. In order to model the drum pits (there is one on the left and one on the right, I had to use a wall type I created, but after drawing the walls, they would not show in plan view even though I had their layers turned on in my working plan. So finally in order to build the drum pits, I created 3D solids shaped to the angles. it was the only way I could even come close to having the walls show in plan. I assigned room def to each and uncheck roof and ceiling over these two areas. After doing so, the outline of the room (drum pit) on the right side, shows in the ceiling, but not on the left hand side. I'm sure it is something simple, but as usual I'm either trying to hard to find it or not hard enough. In order to get the flooring to show I had to covert the polyline back to a regular polyline and assign "material region" to it to show the flooring as the selected carpet. I have one last thing to try and that is to covert the area I have circled in red to a 3D symbol and add it to the Library. ADDITION TO PLC.plan

Chris, I've actually watched these videos several times and also the video's related to as-built drawings. I've created several "saved plan views" and within each have attempted turning on and off the particular items I want displayed for each saved plan. That being said, I can't quite get the trick doing the over-lay of the as built to new construction. I'll leave things as they are for now and go back and watch the "Remodeling: How to Generate As-Built Overlays in 2D & 3D - Video | Chief Architect" again.

I am working on setting up layer sets (set some up in the edit default tools menu) and noticed that even though I have built a couple of different layer sets, copied from existing sets, with the associated layer's displayed, I want for each, I noticed that there is not an option (at least I haven't found it) to see the new layer available in the layer window (if that makes sense?). You have to select a layer, open, the look for the newly created Layer Set and it's associated layers to display, and I haven't done enough using the different layer options to know how to access them easier. I'm sure the experts on here have it all down to a science but I don't. I'm using CA 12 a lot more now (in semi-retirement) and just getting back up and running, thus the need to have a better workflow. Is that where "saved plan views" comes in? IF so, I'll probably not live long enough to learn to do it that way. The layer set I want is not in the project browser either.

Johnny, I am using X12 there may be a different option for X16 and newer, but I did this material list from "area" printed as a CA-PDF, save it to file, then imported it into my plan. It can be sent to layout, but if it has to be updated for changes, naturally you have to do a new material list, print to PDF, save to file and import into your plan. Maybe this helps.

I have Plan templates for basic project needs, and also layout templates for each discipline. The trick is whatever project you use your templates on must be saved to that Projects File(s). Your Layout template will also contain the project specific information that changes from project to project so each time you use the plan and layout templates for a different project you will save them to that project's folder. It is imperative Plan and Layout files be saved in the specific folder for the specific project. If you change anything from the Plan to Layout they will no longer be linked.

That fixed the gap in the floor. Now to work on the reason the foundation is protruding into the rooms exterior walls, and the gap in the bottom of the exterior wall framing. The issue of the gap in the framing, apparently was caused by my having the wall as a "foundation wall" and the settings in the room DBX calling out the various dim's for the construction of the stem. Setting all the stem heights the same height, (although in the real world they're not the same height) and setting the floor as "Floor under this room" fixed the framing issue. It is a monolithic slab (back filled interior foundation stem walls) but the software doesn't like that apparently thus it stuck the foundation up into the rooms at the exterior walls.

Working on the construction doc's starting wall framing details and the very first wall elevation is definitely not right. I honestly don't know why or at this point what to do. It must have something to do with the way I have the foundation modeled. I have no clue where to go from here? Or what needs to change to fix this. The cause may also be the reason there are gaps between the exterior walls in some areas as showing in the screen capture the gap on the left is at an exterior wall but the wall at the door is also exterior no gap there but does appear to be part of the stem wall in both cases. ADDITION TO PLC.zip

I would like some help from the forum on the best way to build the material list for the expansion only. I attempted the list by "area" and after spending some time on the list it appears to include not only the expansion but the existing for example lighting is for the entire sanctuary. I modeled the plan using a room divider to separate the existing from the expansion and you can select each area independently from one another but that didn't seem to matter to the software when building the material list. My next try was to build the material list by the "room" which obviously only includes the interior finish items and not the Wall, floor construction, Roof or other exterior items. I can't be sure the cut list is correct (it usually isn't). I'm pretty sure building material supplier's will send it back without a bid! Anyone with previous experience with this have suggestions?

The building committee chair asked for a material list that could be used to have subs start preliminary pricing. I'm pretty sure I know the answer as to how accurate it may be as well as how to segrigate it to the addition only. Since I've been building for 60 years, I know the process and can advise the chairman the list will not be fully comprihensive and some assumptions will need to be made, such as what to include for demo of parts of the existing building, any temporary roof(ing) etc., potential unknown's such as electrical l/ mechanical oads being added vs existing panel spares vs adding a sub-pnl etc. all of the items that will marry the existing with the expanded sanctuary. I used a room divider to separate the existing from the new construction, and named it the Sanctuary Expansion, I can do a material list for the room (sanctuary expansion) and that should (or at least it appears) to include the exterior finish materials and interior as well. That sound correct?

Thanks for the try Mark. The ceiling in the entire Sanctuary is "Cathedrial" the drum pit has a flat ceiling over about 7' AFF of the platform. I built the drum pits with poly line solids since I could NEVER get the walls to show.

Glynn, as always, you got it! That fixed it. Now I have to figure out why some of my floors are showing a gap between the wall and the floor. It appears to be a foundation intruding into the room. I had set my default for a 32" Stem wall, slab on fill. so I am not sure what's with that but I will do a separate post for that.

Glynn, I want to do a walk through path not frame by frame because I don't know how to stop the "skaking" results. I tried to understand the instructions in the help file to do the path, however when I attempt it that way it instructs to selecty a codec first then do the path, but if that options is available I don't know where to find it.

Shane, any idea why the walls are not showing for my drum pit rooms? I'm still battling that issue!

I unchecked roof and ceiling over both to no avail. I get what appears to be a soffit over the drum pit.

Shane, that was it. I forgot I copied a room def, then in define edit changed it to sanctuary expansion, dumb me set the function to open below.......what-a-twit?!?!?! Now on to the other issues.

I am having more and more issues with my current plan with every item, finish, I attempt to add something else in the plan changes. I have to get this straightened out in about 24 hours for the congrigation to see the presentation. I am worn out from working on all the different anomolies. HELP somebody!!!! X12 is sabotaging me!?!?!? I am trying to make the presentation as realistic as possible. We have 2 percussion (drum pits) one on the left and one on the right for the drummer and percussionist. To model them, I copied the interior 4" wall and modified it to be as close to the thickness of the existing which are basically 2X4 turned flat and 1/2" drywall on each side making the walls 21/2" thick. The openings are just framed for 1/4 plexiglass with 1/2" glass stops all around so I used a window (fixed lite) and removed the casings etc. I drew the walls in, and they show in the plan view exactly the way they should but in elevation they are not showing. I checked and the walls are not drawn as invisible, nor is the wall turned off in plan or camera view. Not only that, but if you look at the one on the left the ceiling looks as it should, but if you look at the one on the right, the ceiling is indented. When I drew the right one (the same way I drew the left) for some reason the software put a soffit over it. It didn't do that over the one on the left. I opened the right rooms dbx and made sure there were no checks for roof or ceiling over. Also made sure the wall heights are the same in both drum pits. I did want to put a lower roof/ceiling over each but planned to use a flat ceiling plane drawn in but havn't done it yet because of all the other issues I haven't been able to find a fix for. This last go around, I just noticed part of the floors in the other ares are showing gaps between the floor and exterior walls, and the inside of the foundation is showing, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON????? PLC ADDITION.zip