Steve_Nyhof

On 6/26/2025 at 7:37 AM, Steve_Nyhof said:

Over the past few weeks, it seems there are bots getting in here asking these types of silly questions. I think we are just being trolled.

Thank you for who ever gave me an upvote to offset my downvote! I know I can be silly at times, but I'm not mean. 

All fixed up and back in the library. Now I hope they don't change something that messes it up 

That worked...

16 minutes ago, Joe_Carrick said:

Steve, You don't even need to regen the 2D.  All you need to do is edit the y offset of the bounding box to 0.

The other option is to just delete the cabinet qnd place the dishwasher from the library.  X17 symbols work correctly when placed that way.  You will have a countertop above the dishwasher - or you can create a custom countertop over all the cabinets and the dishwasher.

I'll test it out. I have groupings of kitchen cabinets, one if of a sink and DW and some cabinets, so I will need to fix it up and save it back to the library. Thank you!

2 minutes ago, Arnold1955 said:

Not a troll...It's not a silly question to me!

Of course I can use a back clip elevation, that's not the point.  This is an automatic generated detail that is useful. Perfect for what I would use it for.  

Thanx all for trying to help. By the way, I started with version (4)

 

Arnold55

Sorry, Arnold! I deserved that down vote. So I'm all ears. What would you use that section for?

Not working for me

4 hours ago, Joe_Carrick said:

FWIW, in X17 a Dishwasher doesn't insert into a cabinet.  It is placed instead of a cabinet and the countertop generates on top of it..That way the Dishwasher is placed correctly in the plan view.

 

But any existing plans brought into X17 at this time will need to be fixed.

Ah! I see

Yes, just reported it - I ran into it about an hour ago

Over the past few weeks, it seems there are bots getting in here asking these types of silly questions. I think we are just being trolled.

I will add that if you use special fonts in Chief, to not forget to install them onto the new computer. I opened chief and FYI, a full backup will NOT copy special fonts to the new computer. Once I installed them Chief files opened without any missing links, files or materials. 

This is a great video by Rene. The operation is very similar to the way I use it...

 

16 minutes ago, JKEdmo said:

To all those brave pioneers / early X17 adopters, any issues (e.g. stability, etc.)?  I'm anxious to upgrade, but I thought I'd ping the group before I make the leap.

 

Jim

Keep working in X16, but install X17 into Project Managed mode so you can mess with it. Do not draw important plans in the PM until you understand how it all works...

 

Just giving an update here.

 

Yesterday (June 24th) I did a full backup of the system on my main computer and restored it to my laptop. Everything copied over without a hitch. The first time I did this was 42 days ago, it also restored without an issue. 

 

Yesterday I also installed X17 on an old computer that I rebuilt as a backup. Today I did a full back up from X17 from my main desktop. I started X17 on the old computer and it told me that there was an X17 update. Hmmm, ok, so I updated it. It gave me some error about a missing file. (I don't remember what - don't ask). So I uninstalled X17 from the computer. I then downloaded X17 and installed it without an issue. It asked me if I wanted to install the core catalogs, I clicked yes. I then ran the restore from the backup I just made today and all went as expected. 

 

On my laptop, the library and other panels were on the left where I like them. I have them on the left on my desktop. From what I understand, everything should come over to match the computer you backed up. However, on the old computer, while everything restored as expected, the library and other panels are on the right, which is Chief default. 

 

To conclude, I love this full backup in X17. That saves a ton of work and time when installing Chief on a new computer, or reinstalling Chief from a crash. I still want a backup system for Exports - per this post - see page 1

 

I believe the new Release of X17 is ready today!

 

 

You can take a screen shot of it. Oh! You already did! 

I had reported this some time ago. I know this was not an issue in like X14, maybe ok in X15, but went bad in X16 I believe.

I use several walls, the daylight pony wall, with a halfwall or full furring wall on the inside on layer 0. Works very well, has for over 5 years, but you need to pay attention to your furring wall settings to make sure you are not removing the sq.ft. from the room. Looks good, Jim!

2 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

and this is advanced tags:

Ah! so they left the original tags as an option.

50 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

just FYI it will be better for most people using unmanaged mode to keep the project file as a project file and it will prompt them about how they would like to import the assets that are included in the archive file.

This is good to know. I did not test it

I put a plan together for a client under my folder - code: SND. Before I was completed, I gave the client a list of builders to call and they selected a builder whose code is JCB. So all I did is rename the project name and it's files, and then changed the (folder Tag). Nothing got broken, and nothing to relink. Simple and clean!

 

 

 

On 5/29/2025 at 5:30 PM, DRAWCO said:

This new system is very confusing.

 

On 5/9/2025 at 2:53 PM, SHCanada2 said:

in project management mode, the files are not accessible. If you want a copy you have to export it...but it is a copy

 

On 6/17/2025 at 9:35 AM, indesign said:

X17 is NOT what we are used to.  Why can't we have a "Save As".  I am losing files that I updated and re-created "copy" but when I re-open the layout it isn't what I saved.  I don't have time for this.  Please ADD the "Save As" back as an option.

 

On 6/17/2025 at 9:44 AM, LVZDesign said:

I am having the same issue! When I uncheck file management, I don't know where to find my project I am working on currently. Frustrating.

 

 

I am writing this because of the growing frustration I and others are seeing in the forum about the Project Manager

 

There is some length to this thread, but if you read it through carefully you will be on your way to using the Project Manager with less frustration. You may even find that you are more productive and enjoying the organization it offers.

 

From an Architects Perspective 

 

There are several videos now available by Chief going over the new Project Manager. And while they cover a number of its features, they do not really give any one clear direction on using it in your daily practice. Most likely because of the large variety of it's users and their specific use cases or industries. I am going to show how I have been using it now for about 6+ weeks, and again like the title says, I am enjoying what it is offering in an easy to access and managed way of working with my files.

 

PM = Project Management

CA - Chief Architect

 

I am coming at this as though a new user, meaning, I have no macros working in the background, or other TXT or PDF files that make up a "Project", like you would have a project folder in Explorer or Finder. There are more advanced users here that have a much greater depth of file interaction and linking that the PM I believe it causing some issues to overcome. My use of CA I believe it very simple and similar to the majority of users.

 

First I want to point out something important. Recommend: I would strongly recommend that you continue to draw your plans in X16, and set up X17 into Project Management mode and mess around with it to learn about all the features, and begin to work out a process and system that works for you.

 

Below I am going to show you my system and process.

 

NOTE: When you change into PM mode, your default plan and layout templates are copied into CA system folders. Again, it is making copies of your defaults. When you switch back to Unmanaged mode, (like you work with X16), the New Plans (see tab below) still use these copied defaults. Meaning, if you are like me, I have over the years put my default templates in a folder I manage and open them now and then to update details so the next time I create a New plan or layout, it has the latest updates. MAKE SURE to reconnect your default templates in Unmanaged mode so you see the path in the field.

 

For many years I have stored my plan and layout files in Explorer under specified folders that mean something to how I organize my folders and files. I expect you do too. When you get into the PM, the first thing you will learn is that saving a plan is only saving that plan within the Project. CA is saving your work in their system files. Meaning you cannot access and organize them easily like you have been used to for years. So the question that is arising, is... where is my plan and layout files when I switch back to Unmanaged mode? Well, they are saved in some system folder. The only way to meaningfully access them is to switch back into the PM, and they will show up. (Read Recommend: Above)

 

Below you can see the Project and the .plan under the Project.

 

Before changing the system from Project Management mode to Unmanaged mode, you need to Export your project(s). Export Project is similar to the old Backup Entire Plan option. However, there is a file extension that is now called, .caproj. (Johnson.caproj for Example). You need to rename this extension (after it is exported to disk) to .zip, and then unzip this file like you did with the Backup you would unzip in earlier versions. There you will find your .plan and .layout files. You can then open these files in Unmanaged mode.

 

Located in Explorer

 

 

Creating A New Project Template

Now the simple stuff. My way of operating within the PM...

The first thing you need to do is create a New Project Template from your default plan and layout templates.

 

It is in the New Project Template project that I now edit and update when I want to. Meaning, I am no longer editing my default .plan and .layout templates. I am now only editing my .plan and .layout files inside the New Project Templates project. And as you can see, they are right in front of me when I want to open and edit them as I run into something. +1

(See Linking Your .Plan and .Layout Files at the bottom for why this is great)

 

When I want to start on a New Project, I Make a Copy of the New Project Template and Rename the new project to what I want...

 

Rename the new project, the .plan and .layout files...

 

Importing a .plan file from X16

If I am bringing in a .plan from X16, I still make a copy of the New Project Template first. Then Import the files I want from X16 into this new project.

 

Organize your Projects

You can add + New Folder (tags) and apply them to your projects to maintain your projects in a meaningful way (like a folder tree). Now you have a similar organization to Explorer or Finder within the PM.  +1

 

The files you see listed above are all current projects I am working on. Meaning, the only projects I have in the PM are current projects. When the projects are completed and I know they will no longer need attention, I Delete them from the PM!! Screechhhh!!  Hold on now, not so fast! We do not want to ever delete a project until we know it is safely backed up in Explorer or Finder.

 

Export is the new Save As

Here is where the old Save As comes into play. Ok, there is no Save As in X17 because now our .plan and .layout files exist inside Projects that are saved within the CA system. There is a backup system in CA, and it has its place, but because I like to put my files (projects) where I know I can find them, and where I know my backup system can find and back them up to the cloud. You know, like we do now in X16 and every other software we create files with.

 

Today I worked on three projects. After I was done working on each one, I would Export the project to my folders in Explorer where I have stored my files for decades.

 

Saved in Explorer like I have done in the past. Where my cloud service will back it up if it is new or updated. 

 

I use Export as a Save As to save my .caproj project files to disk. When working within the PM, Ctrl+S/Cmd+S will save the files within the project and within the CA system. But if you want to continue with the same organization you have used forever, then Exporting the project is how you get that project and it's files into Explorer or Finder. +1

 

This has now become habit for me, and exporting a project file that already exists will prompt me to overwrite the existing file, and so I click on OK, as I want only the one project and the latest files within that project. The same way I would Save or Save As a file and overwrite the existing file.

 

When I am done working on a project, I will delete the project out of the PM so it remains a manageable system. I do not worry anymore about if that project file exists in my computer folder organization because I have repeatedly exported and saved these project files to disk as I work, also knowing that these files are being backed up in a place I am in control of. +1

 

 

Importing An Old Project File

If a client should come back after the project file has been deleted from the PM, I just go to my computer folder system, locate the project file (.caproj) and double click on it like I would with any other file to open it's related app. CA opens to the PM and places the project in the Projects view and prompts me to select a file to open. +1

 

I know a number of users create "Project" folders to store all their files in. I did some of that when there were a number of revisions, or extra files to store, but I am really loving that all my files, revisions and extra files I want to save with the project are all stored with this single Project.caproj file. +1

 

 

Linking Your .Plan and .Layout Files

I'm not going to get into this much here, other than to say that when you create a New Project Template, you can also setup your .layout with numerous views all linked to your .plan file. I and others have done this in earlier versions with some tricks, but in X17, it is designed with this idea in mind.  +1

 

Depending on your process, sharing projects with a team or syncing your projects to access them from another computer, there is a lot to like about the Project Manager.

 

And if Chief is reading, please put together a process or two that the users can duplicate (step by step) and springboard from. It is not enough to let us know all about the features. The features will present themselves if there is a process in place that users can follow and learn from. I believe this could eliminate a lot of frustration.

 

Bottom line, I'm getting so used to the organization I now have with the Project Manager in X17, that going back to X16 just to make some changes to a completed project does not feel as productive. I was very against the PM in the beginning because I thought I was losing control of my file organization, but I truly believe CA is better now with the PM than without it, and with some additional features it can become amazing!

 

 

 

After having several offline discussions, I remain liking the idea of a backup and/or trigger to auto export the .caproj file. However, there is an issue of how many files would be exported with the file, or if there would be options as to what by default might be part of that export. I do not have answers to how it would all work, but I remain believing that more can be done to automate these files so that how we work with out file systems can continue to be used. 

 

There are ways to dig into existing backups and chief software files to gain access to some of these files, and a more advanced tech can if they want work in this way. I am trying to approach this from a common user, but again, there are things that could cause issues, or future issues with the ongoing development of a cloud type system.