stephenbc

Create a reference layer of your main floor that shows just the foundation of the stoop, then turn on that reference layer on your foundation level.

Would reversing the wall work?

Nice!  That is quite an efficient set up.

2 hours ago, Renerabbitt said:

Finally, I get to disagree with you(though only partially). I fully agree with the methodology of coaching users to use the active default tools, especially when they are all struggling to transition to SPV's, however, I have an incredibly powerful workflow for dimensioning where I switch my active dimension defaults depending on what I am planning on dimensioning, especially when I am in other user's plans that do not have defaults setup like I do.
I have dimension defaults for cabinets only, windows only, walls only, CAD only, 3 inch scale, etc and it is so easy for me to switch on the fly. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Would you have time to explain your workflow and setup with a video?  If not, no worries.

Just read the Premier X12 thread and now see that one can exclude windows from the schedules...so I suppose that's an answer...

1 hour ago, Dermot said:

Kudos to Joey and Eric.

 

You can't mull any windows or doors if they are on different floors.  My guess is that you placed the window on floor 2 and just moved it down so it appeared like it was on floor 1 in your camera views.  You can actually see that it is still on floor 2 if you look closely at your plan view.  

 

FYI, just moving a window up or down will not actually change the floor it is on.  You can change the floor by using cut and paste and, to be sure it is on the right floor, I would recommend doing this in a plan view.  

That being the case, what if one has 3 windows, essentially stacked over two floors, like in a stair well where the second floor is set to open below, how does one get around wanting them all mulled but also being able to show a window on the second floor plan (if they are all placed on the first floor)?  Adding a 'ghost' window on the second floor won't provide a proper count for window schedules.

Robert - sounds like you had the same question...I couldn't find reference to it either.  Your quick method for determining the visual cue is cleaver.  +1!

Eric - thank you.  You have answered my question with your video.  The answer I was looking for, that is, the origin CA uses in locating molding profiles is defined by the left and lower lateral extents of the outside edges of the molding profile.

Let's try this...I would like to use a complex shaped closed polyline as a molding profile.  Let's say as a crown molding around a pillar.  I would create a molding polyline around that pillar and apply the molding profile to it.  Is there a way to know where the origin in the molding profile is, so that one could place the molding profile using an offset (vertical and horizontal) that doesn't require creating sections through the pillar to iteratively adjust until the correct placement is achieved?  Or, is it possible to change/modify where the origin of the molding profile is?  The offset function uses this origin...it would be nice to know where it is.

This should be an easy question for those in the know. 

If I have a polyline I want to use as a molding, is there an expedient way to determine where the 'origin' is in the polyline so that I can place it appropriately?  Presently, one has to cut sections after placement and adjust the offset iteratively until it's placed where one wants it, which takes time.  If I use a polyline that I didn't create, how can I either change the origin in that polyline that the offset uses or somehow know where it is so that I can simply set my offset in the molding profile appropriately the first time?  Hopefully, I've explained this right.  Perhaps I'm missing something really basic here.  Thanks.

2 minutes ago, solver said:

How were you changing the walls that caused the problem?

I added a 2" layer of external insulation between the house wrap and the siding.

3 minutes ago, solver said:

Had you already defined the wall?

Yes, and framed it.

3 minutes ago, solver said:

Did you group select and just change the wall type?

No group select. I modified the wall definition by first selecting the wall.

Solver...perhaps you could try the same actions I did.  Open the plan file I attached, click on the wall and open its definition, add the 2" layer, save and watch the framing move.  Did you get the same results?

How big is your plan file?  Are you, by chance, running out of disk space...which is invariably used for caching, especially with other programs running?

One thing to note regarding this whole thread is that there appears to be a work-around to this problem...at least until CA fixes it! 

That work-around is to physically create a copy of the wall definition you want to modify, make your modification to the layers in that copy, save the new definition and apply it to the wall for which you want the layers changed.  This will ensure that the framing will not magically move out of the correct position. 

Ah, I miss-interpreted your initial question on that, so the correct answer is no.  The main layer was always and only the stud portion of the wall.  Sorry for the confusion.

32 minutes ago, glennw said:

Yes, but you did say that you changed the main layer.

No.

47 minutes ago, glennw said:

Can you remember what the wall definition was when you built the framing?

Should be as is in attached plan above.  It's basically a CA template standard.

39 minutes ago, glennw said:

 

I assumed that the wall layer on the outside of the stud wall was an air gap, I can now see that it is an OSB layer.

Did you ever have that layer designated a main layer?

Yes.

40 minutes ago, glennw said:

You will only see the effect of this if you make a change to the options and then redefine a wall type - nothing will happen by just changing an option.

 

Yes, I understand that.  Nothing happens when each option is selected for each modification of the wall.

42 minutes ago, glennw said:

I am having a play and trying to figure out what is happening.

If I delete the housewrap layer from the left hand room walls, the framing snaps back to the main or framing layer.

 

But, if I do the same to the right hand room walls, the framing snaps back so that it is centred on the drywall layer. 

It's certainly very odd behaviour.

11 minutes ago, glennw said:

Looks to me like your Main layer could be your air gap.

When you change a wall definition with already built framing (and auto wall framing turned off), the wall framing will relocate to centre on the main layer -  but it will keep its original size.

You could also check what your Resize About setting is.

 

PS We posted at the same time.  I will look at your plan when I get a moment.  

Glenn...perhaps you could expand on what you mean by the main layer being an air gap...not sure I understand.

I've also checked each radio button option in the resize about setting for General Walls and it appears not to affect anything.

11 minutes ago, solver said:

Could you post a demo plan? Just 4 walls with framing built, and a few feet of your new wall drawn off to the side

In preparation for answering your question, I drew 4 walls and framed them...twice.  On the left set I modified the wall type, adding another layer between the house wrap and the siding. Once saved, the framing moved as you can see in the attached plan.  

On the right set of walls I created a copy of the wall type before modifying it with the additional layer.  When I saved it, the framing stayed in what would appear to be the proper location.

Interesting results.  It would appear that making another copy of the wall definition resolves the issue...but I need to test this on my working model, not the demo presented here.

Framing issue.plan

3 minutes ago, solver said:

Thanks. Are you sure the framing is moving and not the walls?

My analysis shows that the framing is moving, not the wall.

7 minutes ago, solver said:

Please help us by posting images directly -- no need to make a PDF of an image. This makes it easier for others as an image shows in the forum.

 

My apologies...

Can anyone tell me how one can add an external layer to a wall definition without having the framing magically move outward from the main layer when the modified wall type is saved?  My framing is pretty much manually adjusted, so having the auto framing feature on isn't a solution.  And, moving all the studs, sill plates, and blocking back to where it should be is quite a pain.  The layer being added isn't affecting the main (framing) layer, so I don't know why it magically moves the framing outward, well into the external layers.

After layer added.pdf

Before layer added.pdf

I sometimes find that when that error message happens I've run out of actual disk space.  That is usually due to too many programs open, videos in memory and other programs caching to your disk (including CA).  Next time it happens, check your disk space.

Last month, this ability to go right to the archive folder upon selecting 'yes' stopped working for me too...but just in one project.

The program appeared to start this behaviour after I had to physically go to that archive folder and open up an archived plan file to retrieve something I had inadvertently deleted in the current plan file.

1 hour ago, solver said:

See if this helps.

Ha! It absolutely does.  Thanks Solver.  I wondered how the "custom_fields" syntax and set up worked...and with two pictures, you've explained it.

Now, at least, when I change a window or add another window, my updated window schedule won't reorder all the windows!