brian-sdesign

Here is a link to my previous thread with the dormer issues and also has a link to my chief file

https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/11449-roof-dormer-help-needed/

I'm doing a project with a steep roof and this will have living space in the attic area with dormers for windows. My question is about where to put the roof objects. If my main walls are on floor 1, attic walls on floor 2, where would you put the roof? My other thread regarding the dormer tool not working for me, I had a comment about moving the roofs up a level but this did not seem to make much difference. Anyway just some general tips for a novice would be appreciated.

Thanks a bunch! I was not aware that putting the roofs up a level was desired. I've been having a bunch of problems with top of walls interacting strangely with roofs and hopefully this will solve some of them

Thanks Dave, you mean to move the roof objects up to floor #3? All the roofs or just the dormer roofs?

I'll take a look at your examples as well.

Thanks J, I'll give that a shot

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. At some point in this project the auto roof dormer tool stopped working. It would add a dormer but the front wall will not show. I've tried drawing walls in manually and they show up correct but as soon as I put a dormer roof over the new dormer walls, the walls disappear in all elevation and 3d views. Got to be something simple but I'm stuck.

File attached. I'm trying to add a dormer between the entry and right side gable as viewed from the front (front is the left side in plan view)

Schricker House - Current - garage remain2.plan

Interesting, so if the lock baseline is not checked will the roof move with the room height in the room dbx? I understand that you can move it manually a couple different ways but just wondering if it can be tied to the room

Hi All, I'm attempting to improve my knowledge of how to manipulate roof objects. I've read everything I can find on the baseline and poly line tool but I am having a hard time understanding what these things can be used for. Anyone care to enlighten me?

A secondary question.. is it possible to update roof objects for new room heights? For example if I have an existing roof and then change the plate height in the room dbx from 9' to 8' the ceiling jumps down but the roof stays where its at and attic walls are created. The only way I've found to fix this is to delete the roof and add a new roof. Would be nice If there is a way to just update the roof.

Thanks!

Brian,

 

If you can't use the Join Roof Planes tool because it is removing part of the roofs that you want to retain, you can use Roof Intersection Points to locate where the roofs intersect.

You can then manually edit the roof planes by snapping them to the Roof Intersection Points.

 

I assume that you have Roof Intersection Points toggled off.

Go Preferences...Architectural...Roofs...check Automatically Place Roof Intersection Points.

 

Now when you click on a roof and then a second roof, you will see a red point auto generated. This is the intersection point of the 2 roofs.

 

You can place the toolbar icon for Delete Temporary Points on a toolbar to clean the points up as you go - otherwise your plans will look like DSH's! 

Wow! That is a huge help. Thanks a bunch. I'm still missing some basics apparently.

Thanks for taking the time Eric. I took a look at your roofs and while they do join better they are not correct as far as which roofs frame down to bearing walls and which roofs extend over those roofs and switch to over-framing. So I have many situations where I have one roof that needs to extend over the top of another roof and "trim" to the roof. Using the join function cuts off the lower roof which is not what im looking for. Am I going about this the wrong way?

Here is the plan I worked on.

 

On the roof, pull adjacent roof planes back a bit before trying to join them.

 

You will need a break in some where one plane intersects 2 others.

 

Kintz Residence Current Framed 2 (eric).zip

Yes, I believe you guys are correct.. my roofs are not as clean as I would like them. The problem is they are fairly complex and with my limited amount of expertise I can't seem to get many of them to join. If there are any tips on how to get these complex roof planes into joining please let me know.

So Perry, if I am understanding correctly you are not using fascia, and instead are using your subfascia as your finish fascia? I gave this a quick look into but the problem seems to be if you have a hand stack roof, the birdsmouth is based on the subfascia height. Correct or wrong? This is what seemed to be happening. I have a large fascia at 16" deep and when i set my subfascia to this deep it seems to cause problems.

can the roof planes be easily split into two planes? The problem is I need fascia on the downhill side, its where it joins the steeper roof pitch that it needs to go away. Or another example, at valleys.. obviously you don't want fascia at valleys but I built all my roof planes manually, not using auto roof so I've got a lot of this same thing going on everywhere. There has got to be a way!

Okay, the plan is attached. I've gone through your instructions step by step but cannot seem to get the fascia to select without selecting the entire roof plane.

Kintz Residence Current Framed 2.plan

Okay, I did notice that and fixed it by deleting the two terrain countour lines, thanks. Im still getting the same problem though.. floor heights jump when building floor framing and headers show up in the middle of windows.

first turn off auto roof framing, then in a framing plan (for me)turn on all roof framing items, turn off all Ceiling framing select the fascia, and delete. I usually do a lot of other framing mods at that time, as it is done and I have no more changes from the client, but sometimes I do have to re-frame and do it again, PIA if you ask me. BTW-look to the left bottom corner to see you have actually selected the fascia.

Okay, I thought I had this but still no luck. When I do a framing overview I only see the sub-fascia and deleting this does not delete the actual fascia. I can turn on the roof trim layer and this allows me to delete the shadow board but still no go on the actual fascia

I'm still baffled why my floor elevations jump when I try to build the floor framing. If anyone wants to take a look, open the file in post#1, take a look at an ortho overview, then build the floor framing and watch what happens

I was able to get rid of the cursor issue. I had to go choose build terrain, then choose something else. Thanks!

its in the original post

I went back to a previous version and my floor heights are good. As soon as I try to build floor framing my heights jump. Any ideas? I guess I have learned that auto framing needs to be kept on. I thought I was keeping it simple by turning it off until I needed it. Dohh!

okay, it looks like ive got bigger problems than I thought. somehow all my floor heights jumped when I built my framing. This is not looking good

thanks that did the trick there. I've got another one though. The window headers are getting framed too low and into the window area. a pdf image is attached

window hdr problem.pdf

I've got a few nagging problems that I cant seem to figure out.

First, whenever I switch to an overview (for example full ortho overview), the model is off the screen and sometimes its hard to find. When I do find it the orbit is messed up and I have to use the focus on object function before It is usable. I suspect I have an object out in space somewhere that is throwing off the extents but I have been unable to find anything. Any tips on how to fix this?

Second, my cursor is stuck showing the build terrain icon next to the mouse pointer. This stays on despite the fact that Im not building terrain. Choosing another tool does not change it.. seems kind of buggy but its most likely user error.

Lastly I have my roof structure set to 2X12 joists. But when I cut a section the roof thickness is less than 11.25". Some of the roofs are correct and some are not. Is there some other setting that would be affecting this? In framing overview I can see that the bottom of the joists are cut out as if its trimming to something.

I have attached the model in case someone wants to take a look. The roof depth problem is over the master bedroom.

Thanks a bunch guys and girls!

Kintz Residence Current2.plan

Thanks a bunch. I'm starting to see the light!

probably a dumb question.. how do you select the fascia to remove it? When I select it the entire roof plane is selected.

Is this possible? I have situations where there are interior bearing lines which have another shed roof over-frame them. The interior bearing line needs fascia removed.. cant see how to accomplish this.