Here is the most recent rendering of the bathroom, changing the different setting like Dennis said are making big improvements. It's starting to look pretty good considering I only knew that this program had ray tracing two nights ago, I thought all there was is the 3-d final view rendering. I think with a few more tweaks I can get it really nice. Like others said in other posts, it is definitely an art and you have to think differently. Thank you Dennis for pointing me in the right direction! I think with time and practice, it will become easier to set up and more realistic. Graham I about to start playing around with the wall sconces to see what I can come up with now that its rendering more realistically. As for the settings, I am using Ambient occlusion 1.0/5.0 and direct sunlight 5.0, and no camera view or photon settings. I really like the white cabinets in your rendering, Looks good!