OK , deleted the old sun angle, and with help from everyone on here I did get the sun overhead in the Perspective Floor overview with shadowing turned on. The issue arises when I run the Ray Trace. No matter what settings I have tried I cannot get the background white. It keeps coming out as grey and the overall image is dark, even though in the ray trace options I have changed just about everything even increased all of the intensities to 3+ to see it that would lighten it up, but it would not. I've changed around properties after the setting and I can get the image to lighten up by changing contract etc, but it starts to change the colors and loose contrast in the image. Ive attached 2 images, the perspective view coloring and brightness is what I'm trying to achieve but end up each time with a very greyed out image you can see in the second image. Sorry for being such a NooB