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Wow that is a really cool little structure.

Ya I think that makes sense now. I have never really dived in to the cad lines side of things so I have some youtube in my future but what a better tool for this. Hey also where did that picture come from? Thats supper cool.

Building it in a new plan is a really good idea this little mac studio is remarkably zippy (even if it cant ray-trace ) but still small plans are simpler to work with and the engineer is looking for a lot of detail here. Also, I just realized that sentence reads two ways, lets go "Whatever it is, it's probably not 3 tab" Anyway the wife is leaning metal raised seam but I'm looking at it thinking you basically can't because the seams would create a bunch of V shaped troughs.

Ok so I am trying to make sure I follow correctly here. So This thing is not quite the way I want it to be yet. But if I have done it right none of the roof sections will have quite the same pitch or be quite the same length. I know, I know, but like I said luckily I’m also the farmer on this so no one will kill me in my sleep. The short answer to why is you don't want any parallel walls in 3 dimensional space for the sound to bounce back on itself. I will nerd out below if you want to read the longer answer. So If I do this will it still snap the way it should? So basically the reason for all the odd pitches for the acoustics of the space. So there is some math here that I only understand well enough to get by but the big idea is wavelengths of sound at different frequencies have different measurements. So a bass drum is low so lets say 14' in length but the higher twang of guitar or vocals could be 3'. So the ideas is this if you have a square room then the walls face each other and if you make a sound and they bounce off the walls let's say the room is 10' wide and you make a tone that has a wavelength measuring 5' then it will hit the wall at one interval then bounce back to the other wall at 2 intervals (5'+5'). This would be experienced as a really bad echo but the same room with a 2.5' wavelength would be weirdly canceling and sound dead or even quiet at the same volume. A person listening to this may try to pop their ears or become uncomfortable hearing it. So you fix this by not having a regular shape. In this case the structure is not a circle it's actually an elliptical shape. The center is not the back wall, it's the fireplace. The back wall is not straight and now that I know of to use the cad lines I will be able to fix the only two walls that still do face each other without breaking the roof again. I also rotated it so that the other two buildings near it don't match up with it or ether. Anyway that's why the roof is sort of a funnel so that it will not be parallel to the ground anywhere but instead bounce the sound just outside the structure and then up in the trees.

Framer is just me Mon-Fri but I have not quite landed on a roof solution I like yet. Basically there is a balcony on the shop/studio some 2 feet away that will look over it so beauty is a larger concern that it normally would be. What ever it is probably not 3 tab.

Oh that's fantastic. I think It will take a few videos to teach myself to do what you are describing but it looks like It will do exactly what I’m trying to do. I was using the Angular Dimension tool and control move to get it as close as it is now. I know there must be a simpler way. Thank you. So to make sure I understand, the cad lines are basically in 2D here and the roof is snapping to them. Then you just start from the center and go to the outside edge and set the elevations so that you get your correct pitch. Clarifying questions: how do I control the direction/clock position the pitch is ascending in? before I did that by starting from the outside edge but here I want to start from the center right? However if I do then I must also give it a cad line with the reflected angle of the outside rim to start from so that the direction of the pitch is not parallel with the face of the fireplace but instead each section is facing in towards the center and therefore the edges will be able to meet?

Here is the full link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-2dyj62F7X6z0Z4LOZj-21r_tOLBCfy7/view?usp=sharing Here is the cut down link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-H8jIGXKBALH-hBxnWq2KaX4dL1BhBKz/view?usp=sharing

Oh sorry I guess I'm so in this right now I really did not think to clarify. First, that's a good point, I have cut up the file to make it a little more reasonable to run. it runs a little slow but ok on my studio so I didn't think to do that, but it hardly opens on my macbook. New link coming shortly. Second item to clarify. How does the water run off? the plan for water runoff from the roof is to slope it toward the chimney then to the roof cricket (will be metal) built around the chimney. This will create two main valleys and the two gutters on the back side will slope toward the two valleys made by the cricket and go into two large downspouts. Then they will join in a Y on the back of the chimney in a decorative way. Maybe in copper in keeping with the river stone rock of the fireplace (house is next to a river) and the sort of shake shingle siding found on the back side where this down spout will be. Picture attached regarding rainwater management. Third item to clarify. So why have a reverse pitch? Well I want the roof to emanate from the center up and out because of the acoustics and the aesthetics. I was not able to model it well so I decided not to worry about it for now but the hot tub will have a steal and wood cover over it that combined with that small deck area makes a stage and the shape of the back wall and roof have some math to them to fill the space with sound better and the gabion "fence/wall" around the place is actually slopped small at the top and wide at the bottom to reflect the sound up and back so that the neighbors don't hear it as much. Now the problem. So I tried running the roof from the chimney to the outside higher arches but the direction the the slope goes in to create the pitch is set by the first line of the roof you draw and snaps to the wall you draw it over so I found the only way to get them all sloped inward evenly was to start them on the outside edge that was already angled correctly. Rather than the fireplace edge that is straight across. The issue I think is that the starting angel on at least two of them is not perfect to the rest created that edge you can see on the second and third from the lets say left (Bar side) The core of my question is can I fix it and how do I just make the roofs clean and right instead of tedious and trial and error angle game. I have some similar but different elements to that for the building on the far end of the property, sort of golden ratio shaped.

I made an odd roofline on a Pavilion I am designing but it will not behave. So I designed this Pavilion structure but I can not seem to get the roof line to act right. I can not get the sections to join one another because I can not seem to get them to line up with one another because of the compound angles. Right now I am basically measuring and then trying to make right the angles to have it math out but that feels like some sort of work around and I bet there is a right tool or technique here I am missing. Ideas? File is to large so I liked it from google drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DVsluUZC3q35hbmMPPSRcn7PzbM50mOD/view?usp=sharing

I know what I charge for my construction services but what is a good price for something like this per hour?

It sounds like that would help down the road but done at all is the biggest part I think because a small change is no big deal to pay to have made if needed.

Ok I will check in with them about that but assuming that worst case is that I can only print it as is after someone has completed it for me and I have to remake pages individually if needed in the future do you think this is probably the best way to my goal? If so is this something you are up for or maybe you have some recommendations?

DJP Agreed however my understanding is that if you save it with the backward compatibility to pro enabled (I forget the name of the setting and only have pro so i can not check on my system) the first 5 pages can be altered but the rest will be read only so that a pro user does not give the file leprosy when opened and to maintain the ability to print. Tell me what you think but I believe this means I could have the page numbers keep track of the pages and reorder them when I print so that my most likely changed 5 pages are the first ones in the layout. This way if I have to fix any other pages I can either pay the 200 for a month of premier or pay someone who has it to alter it and I can always just remake that one page entirely in another layout file. Do you think this tracks with what I am trying to accomplish? There is always the other way of making separate 5 page layouts in premiere so that I can do what's needed in the future but I think that may be getting a little wrapped around the axel and I actually don't think there will be many changes this design is pretty well thought out I think in terms of county code and buildability. Matt

Hey, So I have Pro and that works for the little kitchen/bathroom remodel jobs I do for work but I am also building my house. To do this I need to make a larger set of plans 32pgs long but I do not want to buy or do the monthly on the full software to do just this one thing. I am looking to Higher someone to complete the work. I think it will be fairly straightforward but here are the files let me know what you thank. Link for the big guy, it won't fit on the thread. Matt https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P9VatNy_6SysGmm3xDoMpRfM6saOJtxC/view?usp=sharing dorre don templat.layout