Renaud

Hi Rene, I'll have to add that ledger board on the arena wall for the shed rafters. Forgot that one. There is no foundation as per your detail. The existing out side walls use an interior pole and girt structure, with the poles set 5' in the ground. If I would have put outer footings in as foundation, that probably would have made life easier. Then I could have just turned the display of them off. I have added some PWF stem walls in the interior as support for the new floor. They are in the foundations layer. Interestingly, I can't seem to add interior walls on the wood floor above these. If I do, the walls below are deleted, or vice versa. A little quirky I think. Thank you kindly again for taking the time to respond. If I could impose a wee bit more on your time, here's a few more quirks to ponder, with the revised plan attached. (still not rafter ledger on this one) The adjoining arena wall to the apartment space is multi layered. It adds up to 9 5/8" thick, with a final layer of drywall on the apartment side. These appear correct in plan view. In 3D views, using the full camera perspective, the drywall layer appears to be embedded in the center of the wall at about the middle of the posts. Its almost like the air gaps due to the girts and 1/2" less insulation are missing. I turned the posts off to see just the dry wall, but in 3D views there is a resulting gap between the arena wall and intersecting interior walls. Not ideal to be sure. The ceiling surface, which is drywall, does not show up in any 3D views. The display is set to on, and each room specification detail shows the correct finish. Your tips are gratefully appreciated. Renaud Shed_20b_Kitchen_and_bath_Layer_Set.plan

Duh. I feel silly now. Thanks for catching that one!

Excellent. Thank you.

Thank you Rene. Yes, there's a lot going on that's unusual. I followed article KB-01069 on how to create the pole barn structure, but then on the shed side, elements are atypical. I did put some floor structural elements on the finishing side, because that's what let me lay down what's actually there. I haven't found a way to lay flat sill plates on the structural side, then planking over that. That part is not critical at any rate. As for defaults, I have been changing them regularly to meet the next task at hand, particularly the walls. The floor has been aggravating as I can;t find a way to frame it automatically, but I can live with that. With regard to the walls, I'm not sure what you intend with the balloon framing. My understanding is those wall types are used when you want to build upward past an existing ceiling. In this case the ceiling follows the bottom of the rafter surface, and there's no point in going further. I know its not pretty, but i'll get there eventually.

Hi everyone I am working on a plan of an existing shed pole structure,that is attached to an existing pole structure arena, that is to be renovated to living space. As a pole structure, the shed has 6X6 rough cut poles 10' OC structurally length wise , and spaced 12', 10' & 12' width wise. The overall shed size is 34' X 160', Part of this is an insulated and heated horse stall & tack area, 60'X34', a warming area 40'X34' , and an unheated shed area 60'X34'. It is mostly the warming area that will be converted to living space, with another 10'X10' of the open shed to be used as a utility room. As a pole structure, it has no foundation. The poles also serve as piles, planted a min 5' into compacted fill. In a previous thread(1 of 4) I explained how the floor will be replaced with a modern structure. In this thread, I want to talk about the interior walls. The existing roof will be retained, with the 2X8 rafters and ceiling beams, supported on the existing posts. Walls will follow the roof pitch. There will be a vaulted shed ceiling throughout. In a previous thread(2 of 4) I explained that I get a framing artifact at the intersection of the new interior walls with the existing exterior arena walls. In a previous thread(3 of 4) I explained that I get an pony wall artifact on the interior walls. In this thread, I discuss the shed wall intersection with the existing arena wall. The shed wall intersects the arena wall 2' lower than the arena roof, to allow for arena windows to provide natural lighting. The shed roof intersection was set up as a Clerestory. This allowed the lower exterior portion to be converted to an interior wall surface, and allowed the existing arena exterior to continue above the roof intersection. Unfortunately, the exterior arena windows were some how inverted, such that the former interior became the exterior. This of course has a different appearance. Also, the windows could not be placed over portions of the arena wall, where new interior shed walls intersected. I appreciate any help our experts can provide to resolve this. Thank you. Renaud Bonneville, P.Eng. Part time user CAP X11 BUILD 21.3.1.1x64 Computer Laptop MSI GS60 6QE, 32 Gb ram, Intel Core i7 CPU @ 2.6 GHz, quad core, NVIDIA GeForce GTX970M Windows 10 Home, build 10.0.18362 rbonneville@shaw.ca ph 403-874-7035 text only please Shed 18 Renovation Rooms.plan

Hi everyone I am working on a plan of an existing shed pole structure,that is attached to an existing pole structure arena, that is to be renovated to living space. As a pole structure, the shed has 6X6 rough cut poles 10' OC structurally length wise , and spaced 12', 10' & 12' width wise. The overall shed size is 34' X 160', Part of this is an insulated and heated horse stall & tack area, 60'X34', a warming area 40'X34' , and an unheated shed area 60'X34'. It is mostly the warming area that will be converted to living space, with another 10'X10' of the open shed to be used as a utility room. As a pole structure, it has no foundation. The poles also serve as piles, planted a min 5' into compacted fill. In a previous thread(1 of 4) I explained how the floor will be replaced with a modern structure. In this thread, I want to talk about the interior walls. The existing roof will be retained, with the 2X8 rafters and ceiling beams, supported on the existing posts. Walls will follow the roof pitch. There will be a vaulted shed ceiling throughout. In a previous thread(2 of 4) I explained that I get a framing artifact at the intersection of the new interior walls with the existing exterior arena walls. In this thread, I have another interior wall problem that I can't get rid of. When I view the interior walls using the 'Orthographic Floor Overview' from the main menu, there appears to be an extra component to the wall layers, that is about a 4' high layer, throughout. My guess is that this is come kind of foundation wall default, like a stub wall or pony wall, due to lack of conventional foundation. Any ideas from our local experts? Thank you. Renaud Bonneville, P.Eng. Part time user CAP X11 BUILD 21.3.1.1x64 Computer Laptop MSI GS60 6QE, 32 Gb ram, Intel Core i7 CPU @ 2.6 GHz, quad core, NVIDIA GeForce GTX970M Windows 10 Home, build 10.0.18362 rbonneville@shaw.ca ph 403-874-7035 text only please Shed 18 Renovation Rooms.plan

Hi everyone I am working on a plan of an existing shed pole structure,that is attached to an existing pole structure arena, that is to be renovated to living space. As a pole structure, the shed has 6X6 rough cut poles 10' OC structurally length wise , and spaced 12', 10' & 12' width wise. The overall shed size is 34' X 160', Part of this is an insulated and heated horse stall & tack area, 60'X34', a warming area 40'X34' , and an unheated shed area 60'X34'. It is mostly the warming area that will be converted to living space, with another 10'X10' of the open shed to be used as a utility room. As a pole structure, it has no foundation. The poles also serve as piles, planted a min 5' into compacted fill. In a previous thread(1 of 4) I explained how the floor will be replaced with a modern structure. In this thread, I want to talk about the interior walls. The existing roof will be retained, with the 2X8 rafters and ceiling beams, supported on the existing posts. Walls will follow the roof pitch. There will be a vaulted shed ceiling throughout. When the proposed interior walls intersect the existing arena walls, I have an artifact at the intersection that looks like a single stud extending up to the original arena wall height. This is not true for the exterior shed walls that intersect the arena walls. The shed roof intersects 16' tall arena wall at 14'. This allows a row of 2' tall windows into the arena for natural lighting. I need some help in removing those artifacts. Thank you Renaud Bonneville, P.Eng. Part time user CAP X11 BUILD 21.3.1.1x64 Computer Laptop MSI GS60 6QE, 32 Gb ram, Intel Core i7 CPU @ 2.6 GHz, quad core, NVIDIA GeForce GTX970M Windows 10 Home, build 10.0.18362 rbonneville@shaw.ca ph 403-874-7035 text only please Shed 18 Renovation Rooms.plan Shed 18 Renovation Rooms.plan

Hi everyone I am working on a plan of an existing shed pole structure,that is attached to an existing pole structure arena, that is to be renovated to living space. As a pole structure, the shed has 6X6 rough cut poles 10' OC structurally length wise , and spaced 12', 10' & 12' width wise. The overall shed size is 34' X 160', Part of this is an insulated and heated horse stall & tack area, 60'X34', a warming area 40'X34' , and an unheated shed area 60'X34'. It is mostly the warming area that will be converted to living space, with another 10'X10' of the open shed to be used as a utility room. As a pole structure, it has no foundation. The poles also serve as piles, planted a min 5' into compacted fill. The existing floor in the warming area is comprised of 2X6 rough cut planks on 2X6 rough cut sill plates, directly on compacted clay. The clay fill was raised 5.5" above grade. This floor will be removed and the new floor supported by preserved wood foundation (PWF) stub walls, Due to the structure, this has largely been a manual general framing exercise. I could not find a way to build a floor automatically, without a foundation of some kind below the first floor. I did try to use a deck platform, but that was too limiting. The general framing options allows the addition of ceiling joists, but not floor joists. It would be great if a CAD outline could be converted to a floor area. I end up using general framing only. I did define floor structure and finishes in each room definition. However, the floor finishing is removed if I flag "no floor below" in the spec dialogue. I am wondering if the CheifTalk community experts have a work-around for this condition? My files is attached for your perusal. I have three more issues to discuss, and I will put each one in a separate thread. Shed 18 Renovation Rooms.plan