yes, if i turn it off in the plan view, it disappears from the plan, but it still affects the ceiling as my screenshots show. I don't care about the dashed line in the plan, per se, I care that it is affecting the ceiling, and I assume will affect the framing plan and material take off, so I really want to find out how it got there and eliminate it. i don't need a beam here, so making it go away is what I'm really looking for. Perhaps I need to make a new post for this, since this post was really to identify the issue, which I have now done.