DRAWZILLA Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Chief's PDF printer also creates a larger file size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenPalmer Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Chief's PDF printer also creates a larger file size. Yes, I've noticed that to, but I've had inconsistent results. One computer gave me 10mb and the same file on another computer gave me 2mb. Never figured that one out. On a different note: I can't remember if using the 'reduce file size' feature in adobe will bring the larger file size down or not....worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Sounds like something that is left over from a previous use of your LO template. If you can select the box and don't feel like it might be anything you need, have you tried just deleting it? That is my issue, I've not found anything in the template. It seems like there is something there but I cannot find it. It only appears on printing, not on the image on the computer before creating the PDF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 I don't see an issue with your posted PDF so it is kind of hard to comment on what you are seeing. It is subtle, Like a 25% screen over a portion, if you zoom in 100% you'll see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 I didn't see it at first either...wouldn't hurt to make notes on the pdf to point it out a little better, but I see it as well. I think this is related to an issue I reported as well and it has to do with using transparent fills. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/3893-x7-poor-print-quality-using-transparent-fills-in-walls/ Basically, if I had any transparent fills, the area around it would 'pixelate' and not stay 'vector'. This would only happen when I would send to 'any' 3rd party pdf printer. It did not happen when I used Chief's built in pdf printer. I reported it to tech support and we did some round and round and I eventually gave up dealing with them because they weren't getting what I was saying or not admitting that they had the problem when I did with each different pdf printer I downloaded and tried out on multiple computers. If you zoom in really close to where the transition is between darker and lighter, you will notice that the problem part is pixelated, and the good part is not...and it follows a distinct line which I discovered in my testing that it was due to transparency fills and followed exactly the limits of this fill. If i got rid of the transparancy fill, it worked great. You can zoom in on angles, curves etc and you will notice the pixelation...makes for poor printing as well. so to see if it is the same issue, what pdf printer are you using? is there transparancy fill in your file (either floor plan or layout)? Drat, I've never looked to see if CA added a good internal pdf printer. I'll have to give that a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Do you get the same problem using the save as pdf option? It would be good to have the plan and layout to troubleshoot. I'll try the internal PDF printer provided by CA and see if it goes away. I'll post my results. It was on every page of the layout btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Guy's, If he goes to the layers set dialog box can he look to the what's + out in the "Used" column to see what might be affecting it? I check these when I'm cleaning up a floor plan to save as template Also, maybe their is something on sheet zero of the layout page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Well I tried upping the DPI to 1200 and the problem is just as evident for me. Since there is no internal PDF printer like the useful 3d party ones. How do I "save to PDF"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Guy's, If he goes to the layers set dialog box can he look to the what's + out in the "Used" column to see what might be affecting it? I check these when I'm cleaning up a floor plan to save as template Also, maybe their is something on sheet zero of the layout page I've got very little in the Layout layer dialog box, I've tried turning the few I had on, off, and turning off those that don't have the red + sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 Well I finally found the "SAVE as PDF" in the destination Print dialog box, right at the top. It was fast and worked great! I hate to ask how long that has been there! Anyway it worked great and the problem is gone! Thanks Doug for the explanation. Obviously it is a glitch in the 3rd party PDF printer driver software. SheetA7_SavePDF.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwideziner Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I have now resorted to using the inbuilt printer driver and put up with the larger file sizes as I have had so many problems with any other printer driver. I cannot print the entire page if I have an embedded pdf on the page, some part of the page will print blank usually the bottom half of the sheet but sometimes other areas. Was pointed out in beta by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 When I open the .pdf and click around in the document, I get blue shaded boxes, all the same size. If I then right click in a blue box, I get an option to Copy Image, which I can do and then paste the highlighted part of the pdf into Paint or similar. Seems a bit strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Chief_QA Posted May 15, 2015 Solution Share Posted May 15, 2015 I have now resorted to using the inbuilt printer driver and put up with the larger file sizes as I have had so many problems with any other printer driver. I cannot print the entire page if I have an embedded pdf on the page, some part of the page will print blank usually the bottom half of the sheet but sometimes other areas. Was pointed out in beta by the way. This should have been fixed in the 17.1.2.2 update, if you are still seeing this issue please send in a plan to tech support so we can investigate this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 This should have been fixed in the 17.1.2.2 update, if you are still seeing this issue please send in a plan to tech support so we can investigate this issue. I'll do that. Other than that, I'd say my question was answered successfully! Thanks everyone for all your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenPalmer Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 FYI follow up. When I have transparency in the plan I print using Chief's pdf printer, then when the adobe file pops up, i then print that to my 3rd party printer that I prefer due to features etc. And it works fine there since the transparency has already been processed. If no transparency, then I bi pass Chief printer and use the 3rd party. Hope that helps someone. BTW, why is 'print in color' checked by default now with latest update. Very annoying. I rarely print in color. Even if I uncheck, it doesn't retain that preference and I have to uncheck everytime. This is from plan view and seems to work fine printing from layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Here is the answer from CA's tech support ticket people: John -When I follow your instructions, and add the transparency fill to the plan - and then send to layout, I can reproduce it every time. I will forward this issue to our Development Staff; hopefully they can get it fixed.In the interim, the 'Save as PDF' option will work. Like you, I have been using PDF995 for a long time, so it's critical that we make this and other PDF drivers work. Hopefully, we can get this fixed ASAP.Thank you-Nigelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcapa1 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 FYI follow up. When I have transparency in the plan I print using Chief's pdf printer, then when the adobe file pops up, i then print that to my 3rd party printer that I prefer due to features etc. And it works fine there since the transparency has already been processed. If no transparency, then I bi pass Chief printer and use the 3rd party. Hope that helps someone. BTW, why is 'print in color' checked by default now with latest update. Very annoying. I rarely print in color. Even if I uncheck, it doesn't retain that preference and I have to uncheck everytime. This is from plan view and seems to work fine printing from layout. Thanks Ben, Looks like they are now aware of the transparency problem so hopefully it will be solved in an update or in the next release. As to the color check box, I'm going to open a new thread as you pose and interesting comment about printing in color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenPalmer Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yeah, they were aware of it before via my previous post on this found here: https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/3893-x7-poor-print-quality-using-transparent-fills-in-walls/ I also reported it to tech support at the same time as that post, but glad to see another post on it to help them understand the urgency. In fact I'll link these posts to that other in case people search. Better resolution on this thread. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Printing on windows cannot produce transparency due to the way it printing is currently implemented. This means that when you print to a PDF printer the transparency blending has to be done before it is sent to the printer to a bitmap. This will result in certain artifacts, especially if your PDF printer driver is set to print at a low resolution. If you choose the resolution that you will ultimately print at the blending should not show up when you print, but will likely still show up in a PDF viewer because of the discrepancy between the resolution of the bitmap embedded in the PDF and the resolution of your display. The color accuracy of your monitor may also have an effect since the blending can produce a slight color shift which may not be rendered accurately. Save to PDF doesn't suffer from this limitation because it doesn't go through a Windows printer driver. Fixing this for printer drivers can't happen because of the limitations of Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenPalmer Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Fixing this for printer drivers can't happen because of the limitations of Windows. Is there any indication that this is being fixed in Windows 10? I assume by your comment that this is not an issue with Macs and transparency printing straight to 3rd party printers blends as expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I don't expect any change. The problem would more than likely require the rewrite of printer drivers to support it. And would certainly require a rewrite of the toolkit we use to do printing. I didn't mention Macs because I didn't know. A quick search seems to confirm that this would behave the same on a Mac if you went through a Mac PDF printer driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Park Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Transparency in pdf is supported in pdf 1.4 and higher. See this document: http://partners.adobe.com/public/asn/en/print_resource_center/Transparency-DesignGuide.pdf Some printer drivers may not support that level. I noticed the first PDF in this post is at PDF version 1.3. If transparency is not supported the image has to be flattened, which may explain some of the pix-elated problems if the transparency is being flattened. Also if the PDF printer is printing to postscript (which most do) there may be limits to it's ability to render transparency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_%28graphic%29 I believe we are supporting PDF version 1.4 and are not going to postscript. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetX Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 FYI follow up. When I have transparency in the plan I print using Chief's pdf printer, then when the adobe file pops up, i then print that to my 3rd party printer that I prefer due to features etc. And it works fine there since the transparency has already been processed. If no transparency, then I bi pass Chief printer and use the 3rd party. Hope that helps someone. BTW, why is 'print in color' checked by default now with latest update. Very annoying. I rarely print in color. Even if I uncheck, it doesn't retain that preference and I have to uncheck everytime. This is from plan view and seems to work fine printing from layout. Thanks for the info! I have been having the same problem. 2 pages out of a 12 page layout have been having a random area changed from black to a greenish color for no apparent reason. There are some cad details with transparent objects on those pages though. There are other details on other pages that have transparencies, but for some reason only 2 of the pages where compromised. I used the Chief PDF printer and it fixed the problem.... or at least got me to a reasonable end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUSMC Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I've had the issue of when I've imported a PDF image into a layout it looks fine on screen but when I either print the plans out or email the plans all the PDF images are extremely blurred and unrecognizable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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