Can a block wall have a small framed wall on top?


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In the attached image, I'm attempted to create a shed that will be built between the existing house and the block wall.  I've drawn 2 gable walls and then created a manual roof plane to create the sloping shed top.  The goal is to extend the roof to rest upon a small section of framing that would rest upon the top of the block wall so the siding would be flush with the exterior side of the block.

 

I've tried creating a pony wall, but that places the framed wall below the block wall.  I can't seem to define the block wall parameters (it's actually a fence with panels and posts) such that the framed portion is on top and integrated with the shed.  The pony wall option only allows me to select a wall type.  Is there a way to accomplish this?

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If your wall was a simple block wall, you would be able to have a framed wall on top using a pony wall.   It looks like you made it using a railing though, and I don't think you can have a framed wall on top of a railing using a pony wall.

 

It is possible to get a short wall above or below a railing using floor and ceiling heights but I think in your case this might be more trouble than it's worth.

 

You could always try just building a short framed wall section somewhere else in the plan and converting it into a symbol that you place on top of the block wall.  

 

 

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I created the railing because it didn’t seem that I could figure out how to create a block wall that looked like the final product. I’ll look into that. I could model what I need and slap it on top as well I suppose. 

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If I'm understanding your request correctly - you can absolutely have a pony wall structure that is built with a concrete lower half and framed upper half.

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The 'railing' heights can be modified just like a pony wall.

 

The same thing can be achieved with the fence as well - although doing this will turn the fence into a 'railing'

 

 

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Fence into Railing
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Yes, a concrete lower half, but the wall in question is a 4" block wall with 8X16 pilasters, and the only way I could figure out how to make it look like it's supposed to is by creating a wall with panels and balusters through the fencing feature.  There's no way to get the fence portion of the fence under a framed wall.  I can do it the other way around, because that makes sense, like a wall with wrought iron on top, using a pony wall.

 

I think I'm just stuck making a symbol and placing it between the shed overhang and the top of the block wall.

 

 

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2 hours ago, DIYJon said:

creating a wall with panels and balusters through the fencing feature

 Yeah, that'll totally work if the lower wall type is Solid, but Panels, Balusters, etc. won't let you put a framed wall above. Only the other way around.

 

What I'd probably do is go Up to floor A, draw a wall aligned with the rail below, then in a camera or Elevation view pull it where you need it

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usually not a great idea to go yanking wall tops n bottoms around but this is one of those weird situations.

I did have to wrap the corner on Floor A

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otherwise you'll have exposed framing.

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Just to see if it handled it gracefully or not, I marked those short wrapped attic walls to Retain Framing before I generated wall framing so they'd be ignored, and hey, lookit that

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better than I'd expected!

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On 6/28/2023 at 2:03 PM, DIYJon said:

In the attached image, I'm attempted to create a shed that will be built between the existing house and the block wall.  I've drawn 2 gable walls and then created a manual roof plane to create the sloping shed top.  The goal is to extend the roof to rest upon a small section of framing that would rest upon the top of the block wall so the siding would be flush with the exterior side of the block.

 

I've tried creating a pony wall, but that places the framed wall below the block wall.  I can't seem to define the block wall parameters (it's actually a fence with panels and posts) such that the framed portion is on top and integrated with the shed.  The pony wall option only allows me to select a wall type.  Is there a way to accomplish this?

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Sounds like a lot of fuss for this very simple structure. 

 

 

 

 

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100% Automatic including framing with the exception of manually adding the pilasters with get this the "post tool".

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, DIYJon said:

That's brilliant.  Is that a pony wall then where the block is under the framed wall?

Yes exactly. Break the 4” block wall at the corner and set that part as a railing to the height you want.

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