HOW TO OFFSET RAILS AND POSTS


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This is what I do to move the railing further in. Make the deck with the deck tool that has no railing with room definition. Place a deck railing wall inside the deck and make it no room definition and move it to where you want it on the  deck. Pretty easy and simple.

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11 hours ago, SNestor said:

Keep it simple.  Just increase the width of the railing wall.  Done. 
 

Chief centers the rail on the width of the wall.  

Sounds quite simple, are you doing this in the Wall Type? If so, won't that increase the width of your railing as the railing width follows the wall thickness, correct?

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1 hour ago, steve_stuart said:

Sounds quite simple, are you doing this in the Wall Type? If so, won't that increase the width of your railing as the railing width follows the wall thickness, correct?


No. When you increase the width of the wall type assigned to your railing...only the wall width increases. The railing width components are defined separately under the railing tab.  

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Just to clarify...

 

The width of rails can be specified to be the same as the wall width or they can be set to a specific value.


The railing is always centered using the thickness of the railing "wall".  Making the wall type thicker is the easiest way to move a railing in from a deck edge.  A very thin wall will allow you to move the rail so that it is centered on the deck edge. 

 

There is no "easy" way to move a deck railing out more from the deck edge for situations where you want to attach the railing to the outside of the deck.  There are a variety of work-arounds to do this, such as Tommy's suggestion above.  Using a search on this forum will show you some other techniques.  This is a frequent request and already on our lengthy todo list.  If it is something you need, please free to submit another feature request because the more it is requested the faster it moves up the list.

 

You can also offset the newel posts independently of moving the railing using the wall thickness.  This can be useful if you need to align the rails to one side of the posts.

 

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29 minutes ago, dskogg said:

only issue with increasing rail wall thickness is it shows up on plan that way, fixes 3d view but not plan view?

 

To tackle the wall line issue you could create a new layer called "walls, deck rails" and assign the "no line" line type. This allows your interior rail walls to work as normal..where you want to see the lines...but your deck walls lines disappear. 

 

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Just now, dskogg said:

steve but then how do i show the deck rail in plan,  just draw in lines for it?

 

Open the railing wall, go to the Newels/Balusters tab; uncheck "use default"...and specify a color and possibly a transparency. 

 

Now...it's not a perfect solution by any means...because all the components take on the same color and transparency...but, if you use a solid color it will define the rail width clearly. You probably will have to play around with it to find out if it works or not for you. 
 

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No doubt...it would be nice if Chief allowed us to turn off the wall lines...without turning off the lines that define the railing.

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@dskogg - I think using an invisible wall and a railing wall with no room definition might actually be a better method...see attached. It can be tricky if you only want the rail wall pushed in a couple inches...you may have trouble getting the railings to join properly. But - the end result and railing display may be worth the effort. 

 

Stairs placed against the deck will not automatically create a doorway opening...but, that might be a good thing. Just place your own and size it as needed. 

 

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Such BS,  paying almost $600 bucks a year I should be able to make a simple hand rail the way they are made in the field...and to code. It's easier to make them in SketchUp. Make a cad detail of the rim joist and elevation of the stairs stringer (separate the two)  Export the deck rim joist and an elevation view of stringer as a dwg file. Import to SU, do your railings work, save as skp file, Import to CA and place in plan. This one took about 20 minutes to make. I already had parts in SU.

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Here is the challenge that I have for doing deck railings where the code has proscribed this as one of the designs that a BCIN designer can use.

 

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There may be a simple way of doing this, but I have yet to discover it.   This is especially true for irregular deck designs with octagon bump outs etc.  

 

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Steve,

 

Wow that is pretty amazing.  I suppose you could do the pickets only one molding, and the railing and rim joist as a second molding.  That would eliminate the lines in vector view.

 

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3 hours ago, Doug_N said:

Wow that is pretty amazing.  I suppose you could do the pickets only one molding, and the railing and rim joist as a second molding.  That would eliminate the lines in vector view

 

 That is exactly how I have mine setup - this is an oldie.

You can add whatever horizontal moldings you want, independent of the balusters.

Doing it this way allows for a bit more flexibility as it allows different rail sizes and profiles for as many rails as you want.

This one has 3 moldings - 1 for the balusters (a Symbol Molding), one for the top rail and one for the vertical top rail.

 

 

 

 

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I've only been using this program since last summer and I'm continually amazed how much has to be 'faked' in for such an expensive program that's been around for so long.  If they give me a tool for stairs, I should be able to easily place the Newel posts on either the ground or the last step, and have them at the top of the stairs or not.  For the first few months, I thought my problems were my learning curve.  Reading this forum has helped me realize it's not me, it's the program, and to not be so hard on myself.

 

That being said -- my solution today to get the Newel posts where I want them was to turn them off so the railed balusters are floating in air then I manually placed newels approximating [I seriously HATE approximating anything when we should be able to place things exact in the computer] their locations.  Is there another easier way to achieve this?  Preferably a setting within the stair tool itself that I haven't found yet?

 

Thank you all!

Kt on X12

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