CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hi folks, I have been working my way through the tutorial for X10 Premier. A couple small errors in the text have come up that I slogged through, but I have come up to one that is a bit more on the serious side: Creating the front porch, I have tried my darndest multiple times to follow the instructions to a T, however when placing the porch steps, the steps continue to be placed without an opening in the half-wall. The top stair looks to be lining up a couple inches below the bottom of the pony wall, top of the foundation. No such issue with the stairs leading from the deck in the back of the house. In general, is there a place to find out known errors in the tutorial text? Thanks folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRST8TRKR Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 You are using a wall not a railing.Stairs will make an opening in a rail auto.but not a wall. You will have to manually break the wall and make the stair opening invisible. Hope this helps. Have a great day,Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRST8TRKR Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Solver, you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Are automatic openings checked in your stair defaults? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, solver said: Not that I know of. Report to Chief if the instructions are unclear or incorrect. Stairs only create openings in railing walls. You know I suspected as much. I just went back and double checked. The tutorial specifically instructs one to choose Build>Wall>Straight Half Wall (This is after earlier setting the defaults of the halfwall in the chapter). I appreciate the fast responses folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said: Are automatic openings checked in your stair defaults? Short answer: Yes. The defaults that were earlier set up work perfectly for the deck railing on the other side of the tutorial home. The concrete porch is where the tutorial looks to be in error (I learned quickly that googling "chief architect tutorial errors" was pointless ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 This is the info on the half walls they have you build. Technically it is checked off as a "railing". They have you manually draw foundation walls underneath after drawing the half-walls themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Are you sure the Stairs snapped to the the edge of the floor ? cos if the wall is marked as a Railing it should work.... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Are you sure the Stairs snapped to the the edge of the floor ? cos if the wall is marked as a Railing it should work.... I have all snaps on and tried several times to snap elsewhere along that wall (as well as the vertical one on the side). Snapping to any of the wall layers results in the same non-opening. Even moving the stairs THROUGH the wall does not create an opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Try deleting the stairs and draw new holding the alt key from inside the porch to out ..... perhaps post you plan file ( attach it while plan is closed in Chief ) Which tutorial exactly are you using? M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Kbird1 said: Try deleting the stairs and draw new holding the alt key from inside the porch to out ..... M. No joy. They go through the wall and appear to yank the top piece of the wall down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CAcygrymus said: No joy. They go through the wall and appear to yank the top piece of the wall down. Is that a Pony Wall around the Porch? perhaps that is the Issue ...change the wall type to test it ... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Is that a Pony Wall around the Porch? perhaps that is the Issue ...change the wall type to test it ... M. Earlier in the tutorial they have the default half wall set as a pony wall, so that is how they have you drawing the porch walls. After unchecking the pony wall for the wall that the stairs enter, the stair opening is created correctly. So it indeed looks like a pony wall issue. Will leave it as a non pony wall for the sake of my sanity. Still rather irked that I have to deviate from the tutorial in order to get the tutorial to work correctly. Not conducive to decent learning. Unless you count coming here and getting advice part of the learning process. Edit: Played around with it a little more. Perhaps part of the issue was the overall height of the half-wall/Pony-wall. Once I turned it into a non pony wall it created an opening just the height of the stair railing. Once I pulled the wall height below the handrail it seemed to be OK (but had no top stair post at the wall opening). It allowed me to change it back to the pony wall with the same overall adjusted height. So now there is the opening in the pony wall, but some of the pony wall extends into the top step and there are no posts at the top of the stairs. (See updated pic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, solver said: It sort of works ... Select the Doorway in Plan and edit the height Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 And the section of pony wall on the step below the opening? Also uncertain how I feel about the concrete having gap between to the foundation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, CAcygrymus said: Earlier in the tutorial they have the default half wall set as a pony wall, so that is how they have you drawing the porch walls. After unchecking the pony wall for the wall that the stairs enter, the stair opening is created correctly. So it indeed looks like a pony wall issue. Will leave it as a non pony wall for the sake of my sanity. Still rather irked that I have to deviate from the tutorial in order to get the tutorial to work correctly. Not conducive to decent learning. Unless you count coming here and getting advice part of the learning process. Edit: Played around with it a little more. Perhaps part of the issue was the overall height of the half-wall/Pony-wall. Once I turned it into a non pony wall it created an opening just the height of the stair railing. Once I pulled the wall height below the handrail it seemed to be OK (but had no top stair post at the wall opening). It allowed me to change it back to the pony wall with the same overall adjusted height. So now there is the opening in the pony wall, but some of the pony wall extends into the top step and there are no posts at the top of the stairs. (See updated pic) Looks like you found your 1st Bug ! make sure to report it please so it gets fixed..... and don't forget to fill in your Sig. Please. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Yeah, worrisome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: and don't forget to fill in your Sig. Please. Absolutely, as soon as I grok where they hid that forum preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, solver said: The opening height is controlled by the Railing Height on the Newel Tab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CAcygrymus said: Absolutely, as soon as I grok where they hid that forum preference. See my sig or my 1st post above for instructions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, CAcygrymus said: Also uncertain how I feel about the cement steps having a gap between to the foundation: Turn on the reference layer (F9) and drag the staircase in till it snaps to the red line shown for the foundation wall..... If you have 2 storeys? ....you will need to switch the reference line for the 1st floor to the foundation 1st.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Turn on the reference layer (F9) and drag the staircase in till it snaps to the red line shown for the foundation wall..... Snapped to foundation. Now to deal with the section of pony wall at that top step. In retrospect I am somewhat glad it is a bug and not my capacity to follow instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Looks like I have to break the wall in order to get rid of the section of pony wall beneath the "landing", then draw a room divider, then designate it as a porch. But it then strips the pony wall from the wall opening ends. I have to admit it is fun trying to figure out a way to get around this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, CAcygrymus said: Now to deal with the section of pony wall at that top step. If the Room is labelled as a Porch I get the siding still on the edge of the Floor , if it is labelled a Patio I don't note: CA always brings the siding down to the bottom of the Floor platform ...whatever it is.... not sure if a "Patio" causes other issues though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAcygrymus Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Inot sure if a "Patio" causes other issues though.... In respect to the tutorial, the "porch" has foundation walls drawn underneath. Wouldn't a patio be a foundationless slab? See pic for progress. Looks close to what I want, but there is no Newal at the top, so the half-wall-rail has it's pony section exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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