johnny Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 For some reason I can't figure out how to use the ref set and show roof valleys... any help is appreciated as I am sure its something minor that im missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneK Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Valley Truss Base / used for creating a "valley set" of trusses so that does not turn valleys on and off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneK Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Re boot puter before any rash moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution glennw Posted July 13, 2016 Solution Share Posted July 13, 2016 Johnny, Open the Change/Floor Reference dbx. Down at the bottom, uncheck Use XOR Drawing. I am not sure what is going on. I don't know if that has been unchecked as the default in the past, or if it is now working differently. I am sure we didn't need to do anything previously. I will send a ticket to tech support to see if anything has changed. It could be a new bug - or a new "feature". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Yep, that worked Glenn - thank you. Perhaps it is a bug but you got it to work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Glen, Is that something you figured out the hard way because based on the Help File I have no idea how you came up with that? Glad that it worked but??? Help File Quote: "• Use XOR Drawing changes the color of lines in the Reference Floor that are drawn on top of one another. Lines with identical properties do not display." Chopsaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Chop, What...you mean there is a help file - is that better than intuition? I am waiting to hear back from support because it seems to not be behaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Yes Glenn, Experience and Intuition are always better but for people like me there is a Help File.I just wondered how you came up with your answer and what kind of intuition you need to have to know what XOR means.Chop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I can't answer for Glenn, but for me personally, when an issue comes up I usually research it and play around with it till I fully understand it. I personally played around with that setting quite a bit in the past trying to harness the power of reference sets for some unique purposes. Having said that, I can tell you this...XOR drawing in Chief doesn't seem to be particularly tied all that well to the traditional definition of the term and idea of "exclusive or". We've run into other situations in the past where using or not using XOR drawing was the solution to the problem. I think those cases in the past were roof labels and maybe some callout labels. Neither of which seemed to have any logical reason to be affected by XOR drawing. In short though, I think Chief's definition is vague because the way it behaves is a bit unpredictable. I don't think it actually works like it's supposed to and I don't think it ever has. I think that ideally it's supposed to only recognize overlapping lines (or polylines, boxes, fills, text, etc.) but for some reason layers also come into play even when there are no conflicting lines. It probably hasn't been reported much because most of us rarely if ever touch that checkbox until an otherwise unsolvable riddle arises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Hey Chop, In this case, the help file would only be of use AFTER you know what is causing the problem. It wouldn't have been much help to actually FIND the problem. Like Michael, I have played with this setting in the past and it seemed like the direction to head. I just went back and checked with X6 and it works the same as X8. Although I don't remember ever having to check XOR to get the roof lines to display in ref. I guess my memory is failing a little! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Ok so then when Johnny gets up in the morning maybe he can check to see if his plan has duplicate valley lines. Other wise this really does not make much sense to me and maybe should get sent in to tech ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 But if you use reference sets as part of your printed plan, like I do a lot, you have to use draw first so the floor you are trying to show, will print last and over the top of any reference items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I studied the ref sets years ago and even did a vid on the ref sets. Going through the study of ref sets in the vid, there was a reason that I ruled out using the xor option. I forgot the reason.... maybe it had to do with the ridge and valley and hip lines..... none of which shows up when using xor, I have never used xor...... I am not clear on the reason for the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneK Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 After reading this post and messing around with it I have UNCHECKED xor box. Always learning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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