StephenGreene

On 11/28/2023 at 9:04 PM, winterdd said:

HA, I have become quite comfortable with X13 and have everything set just like I want it. Waiting until the last of December and ordering a new dell Alienware and upgrading then then.

wow. that's almost hard to believe. i did one plan in that and went back to 12. no offense Chief, but 13 was crap. 15 is great. should catch up to that.

On 8/14/2023 at 3:57 PM, Joe_Carrick said:

Ok this is another case of using incorrect terminology:

• outrigger - a type of canoe  (Rob wants to float the roof )
• lookout - the guy with the binoculars (CA's trying to rob the Bank )

Correct terminology:

• outlooker - canitlever support for gable roof eaves. (Standard terminology)

Didn't we go thru something similar with "Tray Ceilings"?

 

lookout is the only term i've ever known. and i've never in my life heard it called an "outlooker". interesting.

16 minutes ago, SNestor said:

It can be done...

I used an invisible wall to create the room that extends beyound the face of your brick entry wall. I did make a new wall type (a copy of brick-4). In this new wall I adjusted the brick ledge depth to zero. I also specified to build the platform (the concrete floor) to the brick layer.  The new "room" has no ceiling or roof specified. 

 

Rooms are the key...they control most everything in Chief.

  

great idea, Steve. i didn't even think of making that area a "room" with invisible walls. that certainly fixed the problem. thanks for taking time to help with this.

customer wants the porch to extend one foot out (on the front only) from the porch beams/wall. when i move the foundation out 12", the frieze and soffit disappear. i know i could make a soffit and frieze from solids, but there has to be another way. right?

28 minutes ago, robdyck said:

Dude, you are awesome! Thank you again, for taking your time to help me with this.

1 hour ago, robdyck said:

The lines are gone in the camera view but they do show in layout. They change in layout after every adjustment, never the same thing twice. A few notes tweaks for you to try:

1. Make those exterior walls use the default heights and automatic floor / ceiling levels.
2. Make the walls use default exterior materials. Adjust the wall definition so the desired material is you exterior finish layer.
3. Make windows opaque in elevation views
4. Use a dedicated layer set for elevation views. Turn off layers for all interior cabinets, electrical, fixtures, furnishings, hardware, etc.
5. Remove the brick ledge from your main floor brick wall definition. It isn't needed in this plan and creates unwanted double lines around the garage.
6. Here's the last thing I did that finally worked in layout: Select the battens, increase the thickness and set them to cut the finish layer. BOOM!

Snippet from layout:

Thanks, Rob, that did it!

1. I had the wall heights set at default, I was just trying anything to make the lines disappear.

2. same as #1

3. Yes, I always do this.

4. Good idea. Will definitely do this.

5. Not exactly sure what you mean by this, but I do know what double lines you are talking about. I had to make it a pony wall to get the brick height correct.

6. THANK YOU AGAIN! That was driving me nuts.

41 minutes ago, rgardner said:

No issue with the material regions.  And using solids is a nightmare as you have to manually adjust all of them where as a material region will auto cut around festerations and doors.  It is a glitch that should be reported but as mentioned if you move it to the second level it goes away.  Please report the issue to chief so they can fix the bug.

i did as Rob suggested, moving them all to the second floor, they disappeared and then came back. I'll definitely send it in.

1 hour ago, robdyck said:

Select all the materials region battens on that wall. Cut and paste them onto the 2nd floor (ctrl-x, ctrl-alt-v).

To simplify the selection, first select the material region tool, making it active. Then marquee select the material regions on that wall. By having the material region tool active, you won't need to try to be as accurate with your marquee selection as other types of objects contained within that area will not be selected.

Hi Rob, thanks for looking at this. I did just as you did and the lines were gone. For a while. Then I refreshed the layout and they were still there. Went back to elevation view and they had come back. Ugh. Just wondering if they are still visible on yours. 

2 hours ago, glennw said:

Yes, it seems to be caused by the Material Regions along that wall elevation.

I can start deleting them and once they are down to a lower number, the diagonal line disappears.

I didn't look any further, but why are your material regions extending up so far - they go way up past the roof.

This may have some bearing on the problem.

Try using solids instead of material regions and see what happens.

I've done them like this in the past using solids. I used this method after watching one of @Renerabbitt's videos on youtube. So....I'm going to blame him for the batts running up so high.  Thanks.

no idea what is causing the lines on this elevation view. i have tried all sorts of things to get this to go away, but no luck. sometimes, it's one line and sometimes two lines appear.

plan attached.

CYStracener.plan.zip

1 hour ago, robdyck said:

The eave issue you are seeing is directly cause by the 'higher eaves boxed' setting. Chief is carrying the boxed eave across from the walk-in closet wall. Obviously this shouldn't happen so even after cleaning up the plan, this is worth sending to TS. That being said, the easy fix is to manually model the soffit by the walk-on closet or use 2 separate roof planes (even though they are co-planar) and hide the plan view line with a CAD mask.

Auto roofs with flush eaves works fine except for one place:

 

Boxed eaves work fine across the entire roof.

Boxed eaves with 'higher eaves boxed' works fine except for one place:

Flush eaves and higher eaves boxed works fine except for the same place as above.

i've had the same problem with a floating soffit protruding through the roof as shown in your top pic. i've found that an easy way to fix that is by making a small notch in the roof plane. this eliminates the floating soffit and the "boxed eave" at the other end of the roof.

On 6/28/2023 at 3:23 PM, basketballman said:

 Can you show us one that you've done with the facia all at same height and 2 differen pitches as in original posted pic.  ?

   3D view ?

Here is something I drew up in just a few minutes with three different ways to do the overhang on a multi-pitch roof. Usually, I just hit auto build with all the roof pitches set at the lowest pitch, then lock the shadow boards top height and then raise the pitch on the adjacent roof plane. That method keeps all the overhangs the same, but it does throw the hip off of center of the corner. You can also shorten the overhang of the steeper pitch, but I never do that. Another method is to have steeper pitch set on the plate just as the lower pitch but with no tails and a short shallow pitch roof plane at the bottom. This way leaves the hip centered on the corner and probably the method preferred by most framers because they don't have to figure out how far over to move the hip or valley and how much to raise the seat height of the higher roof pitch. 

Multi-pitch roof plan.plan

overhangs can still be exactly the same with different pitches.

On 6/26/2023 at 9:02 AM, basketballman said:

Not sure if you can keep the same facia heights but have 2 different pitches on a hip roof .. ?

I bet that as many as half the plans i draw have multi-pitch roofs with the fascia the same height. and i built a ton of them back in the day. all one has to do is raise the fascia of the steeper roof to match the fascia of the shallower roof plane. 

4 hours ago, Greg_NY61 said:

around here 8' ceiling has the rough ceiling height of  92 5/8" precut stud + 1 1/2 bottom plate + 3" top double plate= 97 1/8"

same here. and 9' studs are 104 5/8", 10' studs are 116 5/8" etc.

On 6/10/2023 at 7:16 PM, rgardner said:

Just curious about this.  Was your answer not considered correct by other users?  Did someone else offer a different method?  

no, no response from anyone. 

On 6/6/2023 at 2:36 PM, PhillipsPlans22 said:

I got downvoted for commenting on a post where someone was asking for some design help. Why would you down vote me for asking if you need help? and then I cant even see who did it or why...  Not Love less War

 

 

yeah, i once got a downvote for helping someone with their roof. 

17 hours ago, Joe_Carrick said:

From a structural standpoint it will depend on blocking and shreathing to mitigate the potential buckling as well as the compressive stresses.  It's unlikely that the compressive stress is going to be a problem even for 2x6's but buckling in either or both axis may be a problem.  

 

Assuming these walls are balloon framed :

• unblocked & sheathed only one side --- use 3x8's @16" o.c
• unblocked & sheathed both sides --- use 2x8s @ 16" o.c.
• blocked at mid height & sheathed both sides --- use 2x6s @ 16" o.c.

If Platform framed (2x6 plates & box floor joists) at 2nd floor line:

• 2x6's at 16" o.c are sufficient.

 

I ran this thru my structural program for the above.

 

Note that it might be very difficult to obtain any of these sizes in 24 ft lengths, not to mention the difficult of raising a wall of that height.  I would platform frame for those reasons.

 

Thanks, Joe. 24' fir and/or LSL is not hard to get around here, though it is expensive. but yeah, framing that would not be easy.  scaffolds or SkyTrak would be the way.

Thanks, Ryan. I suspected as much but wasn't sure.

1 hour ago, Bob-Roraback said:

https://up.codes/viewer/arkansas/irc-2021/chapter/6/wall-construction#R602.3

Thanks, but I don't see where that answers my question.

Full two-story house. Twelve foot ceilings on first floor and ten foot ceilings on second. Living area full two-story height (23'-7") with two exterior load-bearing walls (roof). Best I can tell, code says you can go full 20' with 2x6 framing. What is code for 23'-7" exterior load-bearing walls? 2x8? or 2x6 @ 12"O.C.?

Thanks.

yeah, i'm not exactly thrilled with the new library set up myself. it can never find anything when i go to search.

36 minutes ago, DavidJames said:

Hi Stephen, 

 

Try the following: 

Edit>Default Settings>Plan

At the bottom, put a check next to "Show Living Area Label". 

 

Thanks, David. I had done this before and figured it out but my mind just went blank this time.

I accidentally deleted the Living Area on a plan and have no idea how to get it to reappear. I feel like an idiot not being able to figure it out. Anybody?

Thanks.

On 11/9/2022 at 3:47 PM, GeneDavis said:

Maybe it's been this way since X zero, but I cannot say because all I have right now is 13 and 14.

 

First of all, it's not broken.  It just a little hinky when you mix pitches in a plan and want a common fascia height.  If you've the time to look and explore open the attached file and follow along.

 

A simple L shaped plan with hipped roof has six walls (by definition as it's an L shaped footprint) and six roof planes.  All roof pitches are 12/12 except for one of the inside-the-corner planes, which is specified at the wall as 5/12.  Overhang is 18" by default except that because I have "same roof height at exterior walls" checked in roof height section, the irregular roof of 5/12 pitch will run out further in auto roof build.

 

Build the roof, and check roof spec for all six planes.  For whatever reason, Chief "reports" in the roof spec dialog that the fascia heights of the two in-the-corner roofs, one at 5/12, the other at 12/12, have a fascia height lower than the other four planes, the distance is 3/16".

 

Here is the strange behavior.  One of those two roofs, the 5/12, when you look in section view or 3D, does have its fascia top lower, but the other one, the 12/12, has its fascia RAISED from the others.

 

Fine, you say.  I can manually edit to get every single fascia top to match height.  But you won't succeed.  Fiddle with it and see.  I put an image here of the plan view, with the 5/12 plane selected.  The others are 12/12.

Fascia heights with multi pitch roof.plan 3.93 MB · 13 downloads

I couldn't get them to match with the longer overhang on the 5/12. However, I did get them all to match up perfectly by moving the 5/12 overhang back to 18", like the rest of the roof. Very strange. 

Gene's Roof.plan